Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[becher]

I find the Rally2 quite ugly, which is surprising considering how good the roadcar, Rally1 (and the AP4 version) look. Maybe it is the black paintjob.

[manthey]

I find the Rally2 quite ugly, which is surprising considering how good the roadcar, Rally1 (and the AP4 version) look. Maybe it is the black paintjob.

Seems very similar to Rally1&road to me.
We need to see in tarmac spec and another colour

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Seems very similar to Rally1&road to me.
We need to see in tarmac spec and another colour

The another colour would be TGR corporate livery

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[becher]

Seems very similar to Rally1&road to me.
We need to see in tarmac spec and another colour

Yeah, well maybe its just the colour for me.

[Danny0405]

Seems very similar to Rally1&road to me.
We need to see in tarmac spec and another colour

Talking about this, one important point for Toyota is to avoid the mistake made by VW of developing the Rally2 car to close from the Rally1 one.
VW car is a still a good one but its optimized margin is too small to address the Rally2 market where you’ve both drivers close from Rally1 level and amateur drivers.
With also the fires at the beginning that made a bad PR, it’s one of the reason of VW relative failure in Rally2 (and not the level of the car itself)

[manthey]

Talking about this, one important point for Toyota is to avoid the mistake made by VW of developing the Rally2 car to close from the Rally1 one.
VW car is a still a good one but its optimized margin is too small to address the Rally2 market where you’ve both drivers close from Rally1 level and amateur drivers.
With also the fires at the beginning that made a bad PR, it’s one of the reason of VW relative failure in Rally2 (and not the level of the car itself)

Yes good point, the same with I20N. The bulk of the performance in a tight range.

Polo (and C3) experienced a good development and was chosen by PRO driver category (on tarmac)

[skarderud]

Yes good point, the same with I20N. The bulk of the performance in a tight range.

Polo (and C3) experienced a good development and was chosen by PRO driver category (on tarmac)

A Polo won the Norwegian championship this year (Larsen/Eriksen) against drivers and cars like Fabia (Brynhildsen, Grøndal and Aasen) and Polo (Veiby)
Grøndal did 1/2 season in a Fiesta mk2, but that didn't worked and swapped to Fabia.

I really hope M-sport brings out a new, good Rally2 car soon, can they survive without?

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[AnttiL]

Talking about this, one important point for Toyota is to avoid the mistake made by VW of developing the Rally2 car to close from the Rally1 one.
VW car is a still a good one but its optimized margin is too small to address the Rally2 market where you’ve both drivers close from Rally1 level and amateur drivers.
With also the fires at the beginning that made a bad PR, it’s one of the reason of VW relative failure in Rally2 (and not the level of the car itself)

Failure? Where did they fail? The car was great apart from the fire problems at the beginning. It's just that they never had a factory supported WRC2 team so it never challenged for titles.

[Danny0405]

Failure? Where did they fail? The car was great apart from the fire problems at the beginning. It's just that they never had a factory supported WRC2 team so it never challenged for titles.

I’m talking about the commercial part, not the sport part because as I said, it is still a good car.
But the optimized margin is too low compared with the Skoda to address to amateur drivers whereas this car was supposed to be the next big thing (and in the end, it never overtook the old Fabia evo).

And I talked about a relative failure because clearly, in terms of sales, they didn’t do really much better than Hyundai, Citroen and Ford and were dominated by Skoda that they were supposed to subtitute (and in the end, it is Skoda which is following his development with the new RS).

[dimviii]

I’m talking about the commercial part, not the sport part because as I said, it is still a good car.
But the optimized margin is too low compared with the Skoda to address to amateur drivers whereas this car was supposed to be the next big thing (and in the end, it never overtook the old Fabia evo).

And I talked about a relative failure because clearly, in terms of sales, they didn’t do really much better than Hyundai, Citroen and Ford and were dominated by Skoda that they were supposed to subtitute (and in the end, it is Skoda which is following his development with the new RS).

how many years polo was for sale vs fabia?