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    Well yes, for example, the Toyota Prius hybrid is 20+ years old......

    And the WRC is trying to tell us how effective Hybrids are....A bit late for that.

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    I dislike the misuse or terminology here.
    Nobody is really pretending that the new hybrid units "save environment" / make the WRC more eco-friendly.
    really?

    "Following the sport’s ‘Rally with Purpose’ strategy, all the top cars starting the Croatia Rally (21 - 24 April) are powered by highly efficient hybrid technology,"

    "We are fully committed to a sustainable future of our sport,” affirmed WRC Promoter managing director Jona Siebel. “Hybrid technology for the Rally1 cars and renewable fuel are major steps for the 2022 season."

    “The Croatia Rally’s initiative to significantly reduce the event’s carbon footprint and reach a three-star rating with the FIA environmental accreditation programme opens up a new chapter.”

    "This gives organisers the tools to significantly reduce emissions, for example, inside the service park or in urban areas the rally cars pass through en route to competitive sections."


    https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc...inable-future/

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    I could definitely see some car manufacturer having X billion euros for marketing hybrid cars and 0 euros for marketing ICE cars, and that would be a way to keep the money going into rallying with hybrid cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyler View Post
    really?

    "Following the sport’s ‘Rally with Purpose’ strategy, all the top cars starting the Croatia Rally (21 - 24 April) are powered by highly efficient hybrid technology,"

    "We are fully committed to a sustainable future of our sport,” affirmed WRC Promoter managing director Jona Siebel. “Hybrid technology for the Rally1 cars and renewable fuel are major steps for the 2022 season."

    “The Croatia Rally’s initiative to significantly reduce the event’s carbon footprint and reach a three-star rating with the FIA environmental accreditation programme opens up a new chapter.”

    "This gives organisers the tools to significantly reduce emissions, for example, inside the service park or in urban areas the rally cars pass through en route to competitive sections."


    https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc...inable-future/
    One more: https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc...inable-future/

    Opening line: "New plug-in hybrid-powered Rally1 competition cars, 100 per cent fossil-free fuel, sustainable energy supplies and safer spaceframe chassis are part of the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA) and WRC Promoter’s commitment to a greener future."

    I'd agree with mknight that nobody is really believing (or cares) that the new hybrid units "save environment" / make the WRC more eco-friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    Well yes, for example, the Toyota Prius hybrid is 20+ years old......

    And the WRC is trying to tell us how effective Hybrids are....A bit late for that.
    "First electric car is 130+ years old and Formula E is trying to tell us how effective electric vehicles are"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyfiend View Post
    ha ha ha.

    Two sentences. And you manage to contradict yourself. That's genuinely impressive.

    Sentence 1: Hybrid has done nothing

    Sentence 2: Hybrid has made the cars faster
    Nope. The 'done nothing' bit refers to the pre-season promotion of hybrid as a more eco-friendly element which I stand by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth View Post
    "First electric car is 130+ years old and Formula E is trying to tell us how effective electric vehicles are"
    This! With the logic that the Prius has been around for 25 years and Hybrids are therefore old (useless) technology, we might as well ditch the wheel, because it is old technology.

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    In the end this whole hybrid thing is just to "protect" all the brands in the sport: The series itself, the shareholders, the sponsors, the manufacturers... I honestly dont believe FIA, WRC, RedBull, Tanak, Craig, Colin Clark, DirtFish, Pirelli are that innocent thinking they are "saving the planet" with all this BS. ANd I hope Motorsport fans that are interested in this topic really dig and chat with each other to realize that motorsport is not a REAL "problem"... and its also not the place where the world problems will be solved. Its just Propaganda. I imagine FIA know this but they gotta follow this "Agenda" (haha) in order to keep its credibility in this world...
    Like.. "Yes, its a new world, new people, we gotta go this way otherwise the money will not come anymore, period."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lmmjvss View Post
    In the end this whole hybrid thing is just to "protect" all the brands in the sport: The series itself, the shareholders, the sponsors, the manufacturers... I honestly dont believe FIA, WRC, RedBull, Tanak, Craig, Colin Clark, DirtFish, Pirelli are that innocent thinking they are "saving the planet" with all this BS. ANd I hope Motorsport fans that are interested in this topic really dig and chat with each other to realize that motorsport is not a REAL "problem"... and its also not the place where the world problems will be solved. Its just Propaganda. I imagine FIA know this but they gotta follow this "Agenda" (haha) in order to keep its credibility in this world...
    Like.. "Yes, its a new world, new people, we gotta go this way otherwise the money will not come anymore, period."
    IMO not many motorsport fans care about saving the planet either, but they see that motorsport has to follow rules, have the best modern tech available and catch the zeitgeist to be feasible, sustainable, relevant and entertaining.

    On these topics: I'd almost pay someone to study the private jets leaving Cagliari airport on Sunday evening after Extreme E had finished, or just to tell me for definite that the Sainzs, Loebs and Al-Attiyahs are slumming it on scheduled flights. Somehow I think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    IMO not many motorsport fans care about saving the planet either.
    True. TBH even most of the actvists dont reeeaaaally care about "saving the planet". Its more about narratives and belonging and "saying that you care". You know, those stuff. And the people who are reaaaally trying are heroes and awesome examples, but... for example... That guy collecting plastic from the ocean. He is REALLY trying. Fine, The boat is "bad for the environment" (of course) but he is really trying to clean that mess a little bit. Is it possible? Not really haha its him and his boat vs the world. So, Idk about saving the world... Its all screwed up already. It is getting hotter, the oceans will become more acid, the sea levels are rising and will rise more, politics will get worst and I honestly think we will have a 3rd world war.
    Meh... At least we have some racing to watch while waiting for the SUN TO EXPAND AND EAT THE WHOLE PLANET in 2 bi years

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