Rally1 hybrid cars (2022-)

[ouvreur]

All I'm saying is, wait and see. Hyundai and Ott are clearly not happy about this, and Toyota have cynically tried to blame Evans' retirement on hybrid problems. There will be some sort of change to the regulations coming...

[EstWRC]

One recurring theme with these discussions is Tanäk. Whenever something "bad" happens to him people are up in arms and want the regulations changed. Being a fan is normal but this seems to go beyond. Failures happen, misfortune is a thing, get over it.

The conversation started as a general discussion about this issue and Tänak was brought by some members here. Funny when always Tänak has these problems then its always his fault but when other drivers have then it’s a general problem.

Just listened to dirtfish podcast with Adamo and he says also something has to be done different in these situations. Says the hybrid system is weak at the moment and it isn’t also the best in marketing view if it’s retired because of it

[er88]

No car should be retired from the rally due to faulty hybrid systems if everything else is fine.

That Tanak retirement is bad for the sport and makes compact dynamics look amateur. Nobody benefits.

If the system isn't working, that's already a "penalty" of sorts as you don't get the extra boost. And it's even worse if the lights just aren't working. Something has to change.

If the teams developed their own hybrid units, and it fails/ goes red/ doesn't light up at all, that would be different. But Hyundai and Tanak had no control over this retirement.

[Sulland]

Does Compact Dynamics (CD) have online connection with the cars during rallies, so they can go in and do management on a unit like Tanak's?

[becher]

The conversation started as a general discussion about this issue and Tänak was brought by some members here. Funny when always Tänak has these problems then its always his fault but when other drivers have then it’s a general problem.

Just listened to dirtfish podcast with Adamo and he says also something has to be done different in these situations. Says the hybrid system is weak at the moment and it isn’t also the best in marketing view if it’s retired because of it

You misunderstood, for me it's not about Tänak being responsible for technical failures/retierment or not but rather how people react to general misfortune when Tänak is at the receiving end.

[wyler]

No car should be retired from the rally due to faulty hybrid systems if everything else is fine.

That Tanak retirement is bad for the sport and makes compact dynamics look amateur. Nobody benefits.

If the system isn't working, that's already a "penalty" of sorts as you don't get the extra boost. And it's even worse if the lights just aren't working. Something has to change.

If the teams developed their own hybrid units, and it fails/ goes red/ doesn't light up at all, that would be different. But Hyundai and Tanak had no control over this retirement.

point is that's not a faulty unit. it has (or probably was) broken. it can happen and there's the reality. in dreams nothing ever breaks, reality is that sometime happens. again: it's not like ten car were alted on faulty units in 2 race. it's 2 car broken after crashes. of course they can improve reliability on this kind of damage (probably undercar is a bit "soft"), but still this complaint is pointless. it's like when people was blaming pirelli or michelin for punctures.

[bandit12]

point is that's not a faulty unit. it has (or probably was) broken. it can happen and there's the reality. in dreams nothing ever breaks, reality is that sometime happens. again: it's not like ten car were alted on faulty units in 2 race. it's 2 car broken after crashes. of course they can improve reliability on this kind of damage (probably undercar is a bit "soft"), but still this complaint is pointless. it's like when people was blaming pirelli or michelin for punctures.

Why are you so butthurt on this topic?

[wyler]

Why are you so butthurt on this topic?

not really, just talking.
looks like the real butthurted are somewhere else entirely.

anyway, in general, don't like when storytelling surpasses plain fact.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No car should be retired from the rally due to faulty hybrid systems if everything else is fine.

That Tanak retirement is bad for the sport and makes compact dynamics look amateur. Nobody benefits.

If the system isn't working, that's already a "penalty" of sorts as you don't get the extra boost. And it's even worse if the lights just aren't working. Something has to change.

If the teams developed their own hybrid units, and it fails/ goes red/ doesn't light up at all, that would be different. But Hyundai and Tanak had no control over this retirement.

Even if the car is otherwise working perfectly, the hybrid means it is still potentially dangerous due to the high-voltage electric current the cars generate.

"A flashing red light accompanied by an alarm, or if no light is visible at all, means fans must keep away.”

[Sulland]

Carsize is always a topic on the development table.
Car width is the same for all 1875 mm
Numbers I have found online are;

Brand Wheelbase Length
Toyota 2630 4225
Ford 2600 ? Do anyone know?
Hyundai 2630 4100


So cars are pretty similar, I am guessing due to the common spaceframe.
Difference of 120 mm btw Toyota and Hyundai in length with same wheelbase, is overhang front and rear. Might play a small part on gravel in tight corners.
Or are the cars too similar in the measurements that it will play a role on the different surfaces?