Quote Originally Posted by Bagwan View Post
Point taken on "things have gone bad already" , but I'm seeing trouble coming from curb hits as I can't quite imagine how they'll be able to completely stop them from slapping the top of the tires when a driver gets it just slightly wrong .
It's probably fortunate that they will be running the 18 inchers , as it seems more workable with less movement out of the tire , itself , but it looks to me to still be a hard ask to keep them in place on all the cars out there .

I do like the look of less furniture on the cars though .

But , it looks more like a moveable aerodynamic device to me than does a mass damper , for example .
It doesn't look like "open wheel" racing .
When you look at the inside of the wheel, the upper flap will have quite a bit of support. I expect they will just make it strong enough to take whatever pressures they expect. Keep in mind that past years cars had a lot of crazy little fences, flip ups, etc that all looked very fragile but stayed planted at speed, until they impacted with something at least.

As for moveable aerodynamic device... I can't disagree that it is. I still don't understand the mass damper thing myself, as really it was part of the suspension, all of which moves and has been accepted for years. But the powers that be decide when they can and can't alter the rules so here we are.



Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
I've seen a few people mention on YT that these cars are just liveried up mock ups of the same 3 that the FIA produced and are not actual real chassis, that just doesn't sound right though, surely not..

Do you guys think they will have to be driven a bit differently being ground effect cars.. ie; much less kerb taking?
The RB had next to nothing other than livery, and was essentially the mock up car. Haas showed some changes, not huge but at least the sidepod design changes and how and where the intake sits. Aston Martin seems to have shown a possible real car, at least most likely. Lots of changes from the FIA mock up models, and enough detail to make me think they wouldn't waste that much time if it wasn't the real car.

Every indication I've seen from the experts is that all cars will be much closer to flat and very low rake. And there have been concerns about the underside of the car and curbs, but most expert types seem to think that the overall ride height will remain much the same, and there is no great concern involved. But at the same time, they warn that just like the older cars, at times those limits will be found, but hopefully disbursed more equally along a bigger section of underbody, thus not as much isolated damage when it happens. The air flow disruption seems highly debated though.... I guess we will find out.


Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth View Post
Well Aston revelead actual car, unlike RB and HAAS.
I think they did, and if so it kinds of kills the idea many had of "cookie cutter spec car" limitations on the cars. When compared to the Haas car the sidepods, intake area, undercuts, and coke bottle sections are massively different. I think it's a radical departure from what many expected to see, with more exposed floor section to work with, and obviously a differing angle.




That side pod undercut is much bigger than the mock up cars, as well as the Haas.