Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Mackie]

https://www.rallit.fi/teemu-suninen-...ten-ylitoihin/

Suninen's comments about the Hyundai: "The car understeers in the middle of the corner, especially in slow corners."

Points to a fundamental flaw i the suspension design. Is this the Rally2 or the R5?

[AnttiL]

Points to a fundamental flaw i the suspension design. Is this the Rally2 or the R5?

The new car. More from the same interview:

"Maybe this is so far the most difficult to drive (out of Fiesta, Polo and i20 N Rally2). Balance is lacking quite a lot in different types of corners. The car is also sensitive to conditions. In same places it's too understeering and some places too oversteering. The overall balance is good, but sensitive to changes."

[Mackie]

The new car. More from the same interview:

"Maybe this is so far the most difficult to drive (out of Fiesta, Polo and i20 N Rally2). Balance is lacking quite a lot in different types of corners. The car is also sensitive to conditions. In same places it's too understeering and some places too oversteering. The overall balance is good, but sensitive to changes."

Then it might be like this with the Rally1-car as well, to some extent. If so we might have some crashes coming from Solberg and Tänak...

[AnttiL]

Then it might be like this with the Rally1-car as well, to some extent. If so we might have some crashes coming from Solberg and Tänak...

But even though the cars will look the same on the outside, they have a different basis. Rally2 is based on production car, but Rally1 is a tubular chassis.

[Mirek]

IMHO neutral behavior is impossible to achieve without the center differential. In my purely theoretical understanding going from understeering to oversteering is somewhat typical for powerfull 4WD cars with no center diff. The description (just like other things) leads me more to a conclusion that the car was simply released for competition way too early before the suspension, transmission and geometry was optimized.

[Mackie]

IMHO neutral behavior is impossible to achieve without the center differential. In my purely theoretical understanding going from understeering to oversteering is somewhat typical for powerfull 4WD cars with no center diff. The description (just like other things) leads me more to a conclusion that the car was simply released for competition way too early before the suspension, transmission and geometry was optimized.

Yes, and that makes the Rally1 more fun to watch then what WRC is now (on tarmac at least). A bit less advanced and elegant though.

But, what I meant was if a car starts to understeer in the middle of the corner, with loaded up suspension, something is very wrong. Seems like suspension and drivetrain are working against each other.

[EstWRC]

Then it might be like this with the Rally1-car as well, to some extent. If so we might have some crashes coming from Solberg and Tänak...

why Solberg and Tänak?

[Mackie]

why Solberg and Tänak?

Tänak because he pushes the machinery to the max. If the car then does something funny and unexpected, there is a chance for some off's. Solberg because he is still trying to find himself in these cars. He pushes when he shouldn't, and if he doesn't he's frustrated for not having the pace. So he goes out and pushes. In Catalunia he showed that he can calm down, but he wasn't fast. I hope he will find some effortless and controlled pace, first sign maybe in Sweden?

[EstWRC]

Tänak because he pushes the machinery to the max. If the car then does something funny and unexpected, there is a chance for some off's. Solberg because he is still trying to find himself in these cars. He pushes when he shouldn't, and if he doesn't he's frustrated for not having the pace. So he goes out and pushes. In Catalunia he showed that he can calm down, but he wasn't fast. I hope he will find some effortless and controlled pace, first sign maybe in Sweden?

how many crashes Tänak has had during these 2 years?

after Catalunya crash youre acting here like he does it all the time. The last crash he had before Catalunya was Monte 2020!


but anyway its off-topic and we dont even know for who the new car will suit or not

[Mackie]

how many crashes Tänak has had during these 2 years?

after Catalunya crash youre acting here like he does it all the time. The last crash he had before Catalunya was Monte 2020!


but anyway its off-topic and we dont even know for who the new car will suit or not

I didn't mean to step on your toes, I'm a fan of Tänak! But he has crashed more than Ogier/Evans/Neuville, and what has happened after his move to the Hyundai is probably because the car doesn't suit him. Or is somewhat unpredictable. I hope the Rally1 car is more to his liking.