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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    Tbh I think all of us would share a similar opinion if we were the RB team principle and vice versa if Toto. Its incredibly polarising, can be seen both ways and its really just a racing incident.
    The championship fight has just got tougher. Verstappen has just got a notice from Hamilton that he is going to race harder from now on. Verstappen would need to take his racing to another level to continue building his advantage. But we all knew it was never going to be a walk in the park for Verstappen to win the championship. But he has a car that is the best in the grid at the moment. He would need to get his head down for the next race.

    As for Horner, he talks bollocks at the best of time. What the f*ck does he mean Hamilton should have backed off? This is not a tea party, it is a fight for the championship of 2021.

    This is the sort of race that we the fans love to see. It was entertaining from start to finish.
    Last edited by Nitrodaze; 18th July 2021 at 17:05.
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    Verstappen transferred to hospital for further checks after British Grand Prix crash

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...5dgTM190x.html


    Helmut Marko
    Red Bull's Marko calls for Hamilton to be suspended


    https://racingnews365.com/red-bulls-...o-be-suspended


    ‘It was a desperate move’ – Furious Horner hits out at Hamilton after Verstappen crash

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...jSVc4xDbi.html


    'Blame Hamilton': Verstappen out of British Grand Prix after first-lap collision

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...-lap-collision


    Lewis Hamilton accused of ‘dirty driving’ by Red Bull’s Christian Horner after 180mph Max Verstappen crash

    The crash sent Verstappen into the wall and out of the race, while Hamilton dropped back to second behind Charles Leclerc

    https://inews.co.uk/sport/formula-on...50?ITO=newsnow


    Horner updates Verstappen condition after 51G crash

    It was a wild start to the British GP as Max Verstappen slammed into the wall after coming together with Lewis Hamilton. The Dutchman seems to be doing well according to Red Bull team principal Christian Horner.

    https://racingnews365.com/horner-upd...fter-51g-crash


    Lewis Hamilton's 'unusual' radio response to penalty from Max Verstappen crash

    Christian Horner made it clear that he wanted Hamilton to be given a penalty while Toto Wolff insisted there were images that proved it was a racing incident.

    The FIA eventually decided to hand Hamilton a 10-second penalty as the race got back underway.

    And Chandhuk noted that Hamilton gave an unusually calm response to the news of his penalty.

    "It's been really interesting listening to the radio," he said on Sky Sports.

    "Pete Bonnington telling Hamilton about his penalty but no real reaction from Lewis.

    "There wasn't any of the argument back saying that was unfair, none of it.

    "Just silence and quite unusual I thought.

    "It's almost like he was expecting it to happen."

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...-Grand-Prix-F1


    Horner furious after 'hollow' Hamilton win: I hope Lewis is happy with himself

    Red Bull's Christian Horner was fuming after the British Grand Prix, after watching Lewis Hamilton take the win after being given a penalty for taking Max Verstappen out of the race.

    https://racingnews365.com/horner-fur...y-with-himself


    RED BULL FULL FIA RADIO WAR WITH MERCEDES AFTER VERSTAPPEN'S HUGE CRASH! | 2021 British GP


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD3V7TAFkSM


    F1 Silverstone 2021 Start Crash Video - Lewis Hamilton's Crash With Max Verstappen


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkqbEVqtEQY


    Toto Wolff responds to Horner's comments after Hamilton & Verstappen collision!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdhWD0COPKI


    "It's unacceptable!" | Horner disappointed with Hamilton over collision with Max Verstappen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IbHZa12Rjc
    Last edited by Fortitude; 18th July 2021 at 19:17.

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    100% racing incident between Max and Lewis. But going through my mind throughout the entire first lap was that Hamilton had to lay down a marker to Max. I think Max has pushed the boundaries of aggressive driving a number of times this year and he had come out on top each time over Lewis. Even touching wheels on the straight was needless by Max. He thought Max a lesson today, that he won't back out anymore and it needed to be done. He can think twice moving forward about what he does.

    Horner is spouting nonsense, saying you don't stuck a wheel up the inside into Copse, of course you do and it has been done many times in the past. Max is an uncompromising driver and if you never compromise you will eventually have incidents like these.

    Delighted for LeClerc. Amazing drive from him as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude View Post
    Verstappen transferred to hospital for further checks after British Grand Prix crash

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...5dgTM190x.html


    Helmut Marko
    Red Bull's Marko calls for Hamilton to be suspended


    https://racingnews365.com/red-bulls-...o-be-suspended


    ‘It was a desperate move’ – Furious Horner hits out at Hamilton after Verstappen crash

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...jSVc4xDbi.html


    'Blame Hamilton': Verstappen out of British Grand Prix after first-lap collision

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...-lap-collision


    Lewis Hamilton accused of ‘dirty driving’ by Red Bull’s Christian Horner after 180mph Max Verstappen crash

    The crash sent Verstappen into the wall and out of the race, while Hamilton dropped back to second behind Charles Leclerc

    https://inews.co.uk/sport/formula-on...50?ITO=newsnow


    Horner updates Verstappen condition after 51G crash

    It was a wild start to the British GP as Max Verstappen slammed into the wall after coming together with Lewis Hamilton. The Dutchman seems to be doing well according to Red Bull team principal Christian Horner.

    https://racingnews365.com/horner-upd...fter-51g-crash


    Lewis Hamilton's 'unusual' radio response to penalty from Max Verstappen crash

    Christian Horner made it clear that he wanted Hamilton to be given a penalty while Toto Wolff insisted there were images that proved it was a racing incident.

    The FIA eventually decided to hand Hamilton a 10-second penalty as the race got back underway.

    And Chandhuk noted that Hamilton gave an unusually calm response to the news of his penalty.

    "It's been really interesting listening to the radio," he said on Sky Sports.

    "Pete Bonnington telling Hamilton about his penalty but no real reaction from Lewis.

    "There wasn't any of the argument back saying that was unfair, none of it.

    "Just silence and quite unusual I thought.

    "It's almost like he was expecting it to happen."

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...-Grand-Prix-F1


    Horner furious after 'hollow' Hamilton win: I hope Lewis is happy with himself

    Red Bull's Christian Horner was fuming after the British Grand Prix, after watching Lewis Hamilton take the win after being given a penalty for taking Max Verstappen out of the race.

    https://racingnews365.com/horner-fur...y-with-himself
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    Hamilton showed once again why he is one of the very best driver to turn a F1 wheel. Masterclass driver, Senna would be proud of that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    Watched it again a few times and now see it more towards Lewis's fault but I'd accept racing incident.

    The gloves will be right off from now on and I expect Max to have seen it very differently and return the favour at some point in the near future.
    A mere 10 sec penalty for punting your WDC rival into the wall? That must be tempting for some.. and not something I want to see.
    I would recommend that you go to the skysport website and watch the thorough analysis of Karun Chandhok. It is hard to see it as anything but a racing incident. The stewards were very predictably harsh to Hamilton. And Horner just wants an easy championship win. As for the press, we all knew what they would write at the moment of the incident.
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    What a really disappointing post from you Nitro..

    Senna might have done the same but that doesn't make it great. That was a 51G impact, Max could have been seriously injured or worse, to profit from victory in this way at Max's expense is certainly nothing to gloat about.

    Sure he won and overcame a 10 sec penalty but thats not THAT impressive considering the Merc was about 1 sec faster a lap than the Ferrari anyway.

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    Yeah , a car that couldn't pass the Ferrari for most of the race , suddenly takes ten seconds out of it in the last ten or so laps and passes it convincingly for the win .
    I figured it was time for the Lewis win , to go along with the big plan , but I didn't figure he'd put the bull in the barriers to do it .

    Max left Lewis enough room inside , even opening the wheel when he saw the car , as Chandock showed afterwards in the analysis .
    Button pointed out that Lewis understeered into Max , most importantly , never getting to the apex , so Max had clearly left enough room .

    Thus , ten seconds sounds fair to me .

    If Max had pushed Lewis right into the apex , I would see it differently .
    Then , perhaps I could see it as a racing incident .
    As it was , Lewis would know he would be at serious risk of losing grip trying to make the corner so tight , and he'd also be pretty aware that Max would have more speed on a wider trajectory .

    When it was Lewis and Leclerc , Lewis was farther in and on a better line to make the corner . That was what I saw as a fair one .


    It was a stellar drive to come back after that , even if you can discount it to some degree being they have another gear .
    It was still a good drive .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    What a really disappointing post from you Nitro..

    Senna might have done the same but that doesn't make it great. That was a 51G impact, Max could have been seriously injured or worse, to profit from victory in this way at Max's expense is certainly nothing to gloat about.

    Sure he won and overcame a 10 sec penalty but thats not THAT impressive considering the Merc was about 1 sec faster a lap than the Ferrari anyway.
    Make no mistake mate, l was just as worried about Verstappen as anyone. I am genuinely happy to hear he is ok. But this is motor racing. To avoid these sorts of situations, it is important that there is mutual respect between the drivers. And to know when not to push the envelope of competition. Today both drivers pushed the envelope as one would expect in a championship fight. Hence, this crash was a long time coming. I said it at the first race of the season when Verstappen aggressively took Hamilton's front wing.

    And there is no gloating here. It is racing as we see it. And it is a very important lesson for all, that every driver on the grid can drive very aggressively too. It is not an entitlement for any one driver. We saw it with the Baku crash with Ricciardo and the Singapore Crash in the Vettel Raikkonen sandwich.

    I think this crash was avoidable with some mutual track spatial respect. The way both drivers drove into Corpse corner did not have that. And that crash was the outcome.

    Yes, Verstappen was the victim of the crash, that does not absolve him from his part in bringing about the crash.

    I hope lessons has been learnt to avoid a repeat of this situation.
    Last edited by Nitrodaze; 18th July 2021 at 18:31.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Make no mistake mate, l was just as worried about Verstappen as anyone. I am genuinely happy to hear he is ok. But this is motor racing. To avoid these sorts of situations, it is important that there is mutual respect between the drivers. And to know when not to push the envelope of competition. Today both drivers pushed the envelope as one would expect in a championship fight. Hence, this crash was a long time coming. I said it at the first race of the season when Verstappen aggressively took Hamilton's front wing.

    And there is no gloating here. It is racing as we see it. And it is a very important lesson for all, that every driver on the grid can drive very aggressively too. It is not an entitlement for any one driver. We saw it with the Baku crash with Ricciardo and the Singapore Crash in the Vettel Raikkonen sandwich.

    I think this crash was avoidable with some mutual track spatial respect. The way both drivers drove into Corpse corner did not have that. And that crash was the outcome.

    Yes, Verstappen was the victim of the crash, that does not absolve him from his part in bringing about the crash.

    I hope lessons has been learnt to avoid a repeat of this situation.

    I know what you would be saying if the shoe was on the other foot and Lewis had had ended up in the wall... it would have been quite different.


    Baggie, your conspiracy theory has been strengthened a tad after today! 😀

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