2021 Race 9 - Austrian Grand Prix

[Bagwan]

Yep, l did. He ran out wide over the ribbed sausage kerbs which wrecked the undertray and parts of under the rear. From that point, he was limping home.

I suppose we shall see how the second half of the season goes. From what we have seen so far, only the F1M plan is obvious. Mercedes is properly scappered!

That's what they said happened , but did you actually see the damage ?

[Nitrodaze]

That's what they said happened , but did you actually see the damage ?

Steady now. Do we have to see the damage when we saw it happen?

[Bagwan]

Steady now. Do we have to see the damage when we saw it happen?

The commentators said they hadn't seen anything come off the car as I recall .
Did you ?
Usually , we would be shown a few shots of the damage causing a top car to be slow during the telecast but I didn't see any .
Curious , eh ?

[F1nKS]

He's not a steward .

Well evidently different stewards have different ideas of how to apply the rules. There have been much more egregious incidents than the Norris/Perez even with no penalty. That lack of consistency is not acceptable and should be called out.

[henners88]

The FIA need to review the rules in regards to pushing a competitor off the track IMO. I know it is against the rules but there seems to be an unwritten guideline depending on the outer track surface which the rules do not mention. If you push someone wide whilst defending and there is a run off area, it escapes the stewards review. If you do it and there is gravel, it clearly carries a 5 second penalty as we saw in Austria. They either decide it is enforceable all of the time or they amend the rules regarding outer track surfaces. The last race was sort of dampened by these interventions and it took the shine off what was developing into a good fight.

[Bagwan]

The FIA need to review the rules in regards to pushing a competitor off the track IMO. I know it is against the rules but there seems to be an unwritten guideline depending on the outer track surface which the rules do not mention. If you push someone wide whilst defending and there is a run off area, it escapes the stewards review. If you do it and there is gravel, it clearly carries a 5 second penalty as we saw in Austria. They either decide it is enforceable all of the time or they amend the rules regarding outer track surfaces. The last race was sort of dampened by these interventions and it took the shine off what was developing into a good fight.

Welcome back , dude .

I get what you're saying , but isn't that kind of consistent with how much time the driver that is forced off is losing in a gravel run-off compared to a paved area ?

[henners88]

Welcome back , dude .

I get what you're saying , but isn't that kind of consistent with how much time the driver that is forced off is losing in a gravel run-off compared to a paved area ?

Thanks

That would be fine as long as the rules define the difference but the rules reference simply ‘leaving the track’. It’s probably why so many of the current drivers and ex drivers have been asking this same question over the past week.

[Bagwan]

Thanks

That would be fine as long as the rules define the difference but the rules reference simply ‘leaving the track’. It’s probably why so many of the current drivers and ex drivers have been asking this same question over the past week.

You're welcome , and I hope you stick around this time .
Even though your opinions are always wrong(hee hee) , they would be very welcome around here as we're down to a pretty small number of regulars .

As to the rule , I think it's fair , as long as the guy outside is right beside the other guy .
You need to be able to try to pass on the outside , and so if you can get the front plane of your front tire to break the plane at the rear of your opponent's front tire on the inside , at a defined point (halfway) through the corner , I think you should achieve the right to a car width .
It's hard to see beside you in these cars , so , it seems they do need to define it in some way , so we don't have any argument in these situations .