[WRC] Safari Rally Kenya 2021

**itix** · 26th June 2021, 15:39

Originally Posted by mknight

Let's see if he gets called to Korea to apologize like Marcus for being fed up with 307.

I don't know whose idea it was to switch from the 206 to the 307 but that person should be the one apologizing.

They lost the title and all their success thanks to that.

**Oliverk** · 26th June 2021, 15:39

Originally Posted by steve.mandzij

But taka has had a decent pace all weekend, and for the team's points it would make no difference. If it's Jari's call I can see him letting taka keep second for his first podium.

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Katsuta lost minute and 12 second to Ogier today.

**meh** · 26th June 2021, 15:42

Another Saturday to finish watching rally with disappointment, consistency is amazing.

**focus206** · 26th June 2021, 15:43

Originally Posted by er88

Ogier will finish 2nd, no doubt about it. Whether by speed or team orders - every pt counts for the championship

He will be 2nd IF Neuville's Hyundai holds together... if not, he will get yet another win.
Great drive by Neuville so far. Shame for Tanak, he deserved better.

**TypeR** · 26th June 2021, 15:44

Originally Posted by mknight

Let's see if he gets called to Korea to apologize like Marcus for being fed up with 307.

why should he?

+ it was more to the mechanics I think..

**itix** · 26th June 2021, 15:49

Originally Posted by Oliverk

Katsuta lost minute and 12 second to Ogier today.

Considering 33 of those 72 seconds was on the final stage, that means 40 seconds on the rest over a distance of 130 km. We have around 52 kms tomorrow and there is an 18 second gap so given no massive drama and similar time loss it will be tight.

Ogier is a beast through power stages though so...

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 26th June 2021, 15:54

If Ogier finiahed third would he score third place Manu points for Toyota or second place points as Katsuta isnt nominated ?

If its third place points he will definitely get to finish above Taka...

**mknight** · 26th June 2021, 15:56

Originally Posted by itix

I don't know whose idea it was to switch from the 206 to the 307 but that person should be the one apologizing.

They lost the title and all their success thanks to that.

It's off topic here, but while the 307 by itself wasn't great (dimensions), during the first year the 4-speed gearbox that also kept breaking was the worst part.

Engineers calculated that the shifts were loosing more time than making the gears longer. Problem was that the "stupid" drivers like Gronholm always felt they were in the wrong gear and tried to change down anyway.

Nandan was one of those engineers with that idea and kept that thinking afterwards. (Engineers make the car and drivers use what engineers make). Until he left at end of 2018 Hyundai didn't win a single title and the Tarmac i20 stays on as his legacy.

**mknight** · 26th June 2021, 15:57

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

If Ogier finiahed third would he score third place Manu points for Toyota or second place points as Katsuta isnt nominated ?

If its third place points he will definitely get to finish above Taka...

2nd place manu points.

He will finish ahead anyway.

**itix** · 26th June 2021, 16:08

Originally Posted by mknight

It's off topic here, but while the 307 by itself wasn't great (dimensions), during the first year the 4-speed gearbox that also kept breaking was the worst part.

Engineers calculated that the shifts were loosing more time than making the gears longer. Problem was that the "stupid" drivers like Gronholm always felt they were in the wrong gear and tried to change down anyway.

Nandan was one of those engineers with that idea and kept that thinking afterwards. (Engineers make the car and drivers use what engineers make). Until he left at end of 2018 Hyundai didn't win a single title and the Tarmac i20 stays on as his legacy.

Had to do with the massive torque band of the engine. Long story and a debate for another time, on another thread