Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[mknight]

A few days ago der Ohanessian (Bulacia's co-driver) said that they would be going to CZ to test with Skoda. And they would also be working a couple of days with the car in the workshop thinking about Safari Rally.

Since then, it was announced their withdraw from Safari and no news about the test.

Sounds a bit more like the test was supposed to be with the current car then.

[Sulland]

If you take a quick guesstimate on the following:
How much quicker has a R5/Rally2 car become pr km ss, from the class came and till today?

[Mirek]

If you take a quick guesstimate on the following:
How much quicker has a R5/Rally2 car become pr km ss, from the class came and till today?

That is very difficult to say without doing a head-to-head test with one early and one current car, both on the same tyres, same track and in the same conditions and even when you do such test the result will apply only for that one particular track...

[Sulland]

That is very difficult to say without doing a head-to-head test with one early and one current car, both on the same tyres, same track and in the same conditions and even when you do such test the result will apply only for that one particular track...

The reason I am asking is to compare with what we can expect from the Rally3 class in the coming years.

So, if you should guess Mirek. Gain pr km SS.
a) 0-1 sec
b) 1-2 sec
c) 2-3 sec
d) 3-4 sec
e) More than 4 sec pr km ss?

[Mirek]

The reason I am asking is to compare with what we can expect from the Rally3 class in the coming years.

So, if you should guess Mirek. Gain pr km SS.
a) 0-1 sec
b) 1-2 sec
c) 2-3 sec
d) 3-4 sec
e) More than 4 sec pr km ss?

I can't say that because comparing results from 2013 and 2021 even on unchanged stages makes no sense because you can't tell how much progress is about tyres and how much about the car. Moreover I really don't remember what weather was on which stage 8 years ago.

[AnttiL]

Difficult to find matching stages

Fafe Portugal

2021 Lappi Polo 97.7 km/h
2015 Lappi Fabia 95.1 km/h

Gandesa Catalunya

2019 Loubet Fabia evo 96.0 km/h
2015 Chardonnet DS3 90.3 km/h

Leustu Finland

2019 Rovanperä Fabia evo 111.0 km/h (stage was 500 m longer, possibly making the stage a bit slower with one junction turn)
2014 Tänak Fiesta 109.1 km/h

Riudecanyes Catalunya

2019 Solans Polo 92.9 km/h (damp conditions?)
2014 Chardonnet DS3 94.1 km/h

[Mirek]

Difficult to find matching stages

Fafe Portugal

2021 Lappi Polo 97.7 km/h
2015 Lappi Fabia 95.1 km/h

Gandesa Catalunya

2019 Loubet Fabia evo 96.0 km/h
2015 Chardonnet DS3 90.3 km/h

Leustu Finland

2019 Rovanperä Fabia evo 111.0 km/h (stage was 500 m longer, possibly making the stage a bit slower with one junction turn)
2014 Tänak Fiesta 109.1 km/h

Riudecanyes Catalunya

2019 Solans Polo 92.9 km/h (damp conditions?)
2014 Chardonnet DS3 94.1 km/h

As I said, it tells little to nothing without knowing the tyre difference.

[Sulland]

Looking at the numbers you found, it seems like we can say that aprox 2 sec in average speed are not far from the development of R5 from 2013 and until today. It will wary from car to car, surface to surface, and driver to driver.


The main reason behind the question is to show the huge success the joker thinking and rules and regulations to go with that.
This is a very good way to keep development and cost down for the users.

With a 2013 Fiesta, that is updraded over the years, at least on loose surface can still fight for podiums.

This makes for a bright future for the new Rally3 class starting up in 2021, that follows the same pattern!

[RallyFan13]

What about new Hyundai N Rally 2?we know date about debut of the car ?

[mknight]

It was said 2 pages ago that it's 1-2 months delayed. That would mean earliest at the start of august.

I was checking homologation list for this year and found:

Polo - 3 jokers in march (prbly the upgrade that wasn't sure to come after VW disbanded motorsport)

C3 - 3 jokers also mostly in March ("Rally2" upgrade?)

Fabia - 2 jokers (January, was announced)

Fiesta and i20 nothing

Hyundai has a new car coming, but what about MSport? Are they giving up on Rally2 and focusing on R3 and below?