GT Class

[br21]

Hard to compare anything to Rally3 as no such car homologated and really nobody knows their speed...
On dry tarmac GTs are faster than Rally4, on very slippery not, as at least Alpine non stop on traction-control there.

[SubaruNorway]

I heard the Rally4 will get weight added to not be faster than Rally3?

[Mirek]

I heard the Rally4 will get weight added to not be faster than Rally3?

See Rally4 thread. The changes were discussed there. It's not radical, they only leveled the weight of Rally4 cars to the same limit which already applied for some cars like Peugeot (1080 kg). Prior it was depending on the engine volume (Fiesta had 50 kg lesser limit than Peugeot with larger engine).

[dupanton]

That simply isn't true. There are plenty of events where Rally4 have been faster than RGT.

The allegedly main field for RGT is supposed to be the ERC, yet RGT in 2020 didn't beat Rally4 in a single ERC rally! They lost by 17 minutes in Hungary, by 9 minutes in Rome and by 3 minutes on Canarias.

You have to compare the drivers as well. An Alpine with a top driver vs the ERC Junior RC4 cars, the Alpine will always win imo. Even in Barum or in wet conditions.
Even in Monte Carlo, the first Alpine has beaten the first Rally4 by 7,5min! And Latil isn't a bad driver at all.

[Mirek]

You have to compare the drivers as well. An Alpine with a top driver vs the ERC Junior RC4 cars, the Alpine will always win imo. Even in Barum or in wet conditions.
Even in Monte Carlo, the first Alpine has beaten the first Rally4 by 7,5min! And Latil isn't a bad driver at all.

As I said Alpine =/= RGT class. Alpine may set better ERC record but we have to wait for that (I believe it will thanks to it's mid-engine design). So far RGT cars have been slower than Rally4 in nearly all ERC events even with Astier or Nucita driving.

[Ucci]

As I said Alpine =/= RGT class. So far RGT cars have been slower than Rally4 in nearly all ERC events even with Astier or Nucita driving.

When you've mentioned Nucita, two rallies in Slovenia came to my mind as he was participating it.
First was Rally Vipava 2018, the whole event was in a sunny and dry conditions (I know as I was also a copilot on this event). Nucita did not have any troubles beating local drivers in R2 cars (and especially Humar and Novak are very fast local drivers)

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2018/?s=175356

Second rally, at the end of the season Rally Idrija was held in a heavy rain (it was already on the verge of regularity) and Nucita again beat R2 drivers.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/4...y-idrija-2018/

So to say that RGT cars are generally slower than R2 (Rally4) is not justified.

[Mirek]

So to say that RGT cars are generally slower than R2 (Rally4) is not justified.

I didn't say that. I have reacted to a statement that RGT is always faster than Rally4. Just look at the previous page.

[Jarek Z]

We will have more chances for comparisons, because Abarth Rally Cup will continue as part of the European Championship in 2021. Hopefully we will see some Alpines in ERC as well.
https://www.fiaerc.com/fia-erc-based...ction-in-2021/

[PLuto]

We will have more chances for comparisons, because Abarth Rally Cup will continue as part of the European Championship in 2021. Hopefully we will see some Alpines in ERC as well.
https://www.fiaerc.com/fia-erc-based...ction-in-2021/

There is a plan for some Alpine drivers to compete in ERC. Their biggest problem is that Alpine doesnt have gravel suspension.

[pantealex]

There is a plan for some Alpine drivers to compete in ERC. Their biggest problem is that Alpine doesnt have gravel suspension.

I´m very interested to see modern RWD on gravel

Probably slow but could look great