[WRC] Arctic Rally 2021

[pantealex]

Finnish Championship winter events have mandatory winter clothes and shovel for every competitor.

+ fire making kit also mandatory (woods you are allowed to take from nature after your exit)

[TypeR]

Hänninen Juho - Teiskonen Miika
"Good test, the job is done. It's easier for others to start their pre-event test. We were testing new tyres and some new parts on the car."

Good advantage for Toyota..

[Myrvold]

Rememer how Ogier and Tänak cursed at the stage end interviews?

I remember complaining about that, and complaining about ice-dust the years where there was no fresh snow on the road, and complaining about a lack of snow/snowbanks.

Actually, I seem to remember complaining regardless of conditions and temperatures. "Fun" though, the area where Rally Sweden 2021 was supposed to be run have between 30 and 70cm of snow-depth atm. It could potentially been a pretty solid winter rally :/

[rallyfiend]

I remember complaining about that, and complaining about ice-dust the years where there was no fresh snow on the road, and complaining about a lack of snow/snowbanks.

Actually, I seem to remember complaining regardless of conditions and temperatures. "Fun" though, the area where Rally Sweden 2021 was supposed to be run have between 30 and 70cm of snow-depth atm. It could potentially been a pretty solid winter rally :/

The drivers will always complain about any conditions.

[linni]

Not this. I witnessed when Ogier and Tänak came through , pulling the snow, doing the job of road service they never got. Quite a shame for organisers.

[AnttiL]

Rumoredly Tuohino wants to drive this rally with his own Fiesta WRC

https://twitter.com/rallyparadise/st...23621900972037

[mknight]

Not this. I witnessed when Ogier and Tänak came through , pulling the snow, doing the job of road service they never got. Quite a shame for organisers.

Pretty stupid comment this.

Since we now have Monte coming up should we run a snow plough right before first cars when there is fresh snow? Most people would say no.
Ok should we run it 2 hours before? Evening before? What if it snows again? Salt the road?

(Note that in Monza short while ago they plowed all stages during the night before Saturday and it got some whining here, then they cancelled SS12 when it got 5-10 cm fresh snow on the top and that got massive whining here how it's not a rally any more...)

Now where do you draw the line? Most people would agree that if the road is undrivable for normal cars it should be plowed. But that is almost never the case and wasn't in Sweden 2018 either. The whining was that on some stages there were 5-10 cm of fresh snow instead of say 2-4 cm which is quite normal.

I don't remember the exact details in Sweden 2018 but the problem was that the snow came on the night before and the (last) snow plough drove at midnight or so. Since the first runs were 8-9 in the morning that means you'd need snow plough something like 5-6 in the morning. Also on the stage where drivers complained most, half of the stage was in Norway and the other (less plowed) in Sweden. I guess they couldn't use same plough over the border.

Sure it's still a competition and you want comparable conditions, but it's a rally. Do you want to introduce sweepers for gravel rallies as well?

[AnttiL]

In Sweden 2018 the issue was that the last road of the stage was left unplowed. In generally roads are plowed for rallying. If they are not, the first cars have to do it and it's not competitionally interesting. Remember this stage in Monte 2018? Breen was first on the road and lost 3:25. And Andrea Nucita on an RGT car was fourth. https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2018/?s=154131 Hardly comparable to sweeping in gravel rallies.

[linni]

Pretty stupid comment this.

Pretty stupid to compare snow an gravel rallies.

It wasn`t supid or fun for Tänak and Ogier, who criticised the organisers taking them away the chanche to fight for win, having 20+ centimeters fresh snow on the roads.

[AnttiL]

I checked the driver quotes from Sweden 2018, and in fact it was the historic rally run between the two runs that caused even more trouble than the unplowed 6 km at the end of Röjden. But in general, the conditions that year were tough for the first cars on the road.

EDIT: I also checked that the weather during the rally was between -1 and -3 C. That makes the snow heavier than in colder weather.