Rally 3 class

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 21st November 2020, 15:44

Main issue according to the 4 knowledgable guys on the AR Podcast is that Rally3 will still be too expensive for beginners and too slow for the talented/ambitious/wealthy.

Time will tell.

**Mirek** · 21st November 2020, 15:57

Originally Posted by pantealex

I see (used) Rally3 as replacement for Mitsu/Subaru on national level.

In gravel counties yes, in asphalt ones there is nothing left to be replaced. Even here where we once used to have around 50 Evos per event we have a handful maximum now.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Main issue according to the 4 knowledgable guys on the AR Podcast is that Rally3 will still be too expensive for beginners and too slow for the talented/ambitious/wealthy.

There is no point talking about some imaginery miracle supercheap fast cars which don't exist.

**the sniper** · 21st November 2020, 16:12

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Main issue according to the 4 knowledgable guys on the AR Podcast is that Rally3 will still be too expensive for beginners and too slow for the talented/ambitious/wealthy.

Time will tell.

Why would a beginner be getting into a Rally3?

**AnttiL** · 21st November 2020, 16:19

Originally Posted by the sniper

Why would a beginner be getting into a Rally3?

And more specifically, a new one. In a couple of years we could expect to see second-hand Rally3 cars on the market.

**m-ast** · 21st November 2020, 16:38

Originally Posted by Mirek

In gravel counties yes, in asphalt ones there is nothing left to be replaced. Even here where we once used to have around 50 Evos per event we have a handful maximum now.

I think quite the same as you, in Spain Evos and Impreza were really common cars, especially Evos, and in last year them disapear in big numbers, becoming quite rare even in regional events that some years ago could have many.

**AnttiL** · 21st November 2020, 16:40

Originally Posted by m-ast

I think quite the same as you, in Spain Evos and Impreza were really common cars, especially Evos, and in last year them disapear in big numbers, becoming quite rare even in regional events that some years ago could have many.

Have the N5 cars taken that place?

**Jarek Z** · 21st November 2020, 18:43

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Main issue according to the 4 knowledgable guys on the AR Podcast is that Rally3 will still be too expensive for beginners

The same was said about Super 1600 cars when they appeared. As far as I remember their price was also about 100 000 €? But at the end of the day this class produced many future champions.

**Mirek** · 21st November 2020, 18:47

Originally Posted by Jarek Z

The same was said about Super 1600 cars when they appeared. As far as I remember their price was also about 100 000 €? But at the end of the day this class produced many future champions.

S1600 were more expensive, also add 15-20 years of inflation. Those were really very expensive cars, also to run.

**TheFlyingTuga** · 21st November 2020, 20:08

Originally Posted by m-ast

I think quite the same as you, in Spain Evos and Impreza were really common cars, especially Evos, and in last year them disapear in big numbers, becoming quite rare even in regional events that some years ago could have many.

For someone who raced in an Evo for the past 5 years, it's starting to get very difficult to get material for the cars, especially differentials and racing gearboxes. You can still find them around, but the price is very high. Also, most of the cars already had a big crash in their lifespan and you can only mend 15 years of materials to a certain extent.

**AnttiL** · 21st November 2020, 20:32

Originally Posted by Mirek

S1600 were more expensive, also add 15-20 years of inflation. Those were really very expensive cars, also to run.

100 000 euros of 2001 is about 130 000 euros of 2020.

Also remember that S1600 cars were FWD.

As many of you have mentioned, will be interesting to see how the Rally3 cars will perform on tarmac. In last year's Tour de Corse the fastest JWRC driver was around 3-4 s/km behind the fastest RC2 driver.