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25th October 2020, 19:43 #811
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When M-Sport builds a rally car and sells it, how much does the manufacturer get? I mean, do they care if their cars can be sold to privateers or not?
I think most of you exaggerate how much the price of one car is in the budget of a manufacturer. If you keep everything as it is (3 top drivers per team, 14 rallies) but just change WRC to Rally2 cars, it doesn't reduce the overall budgets by that many percentages...Last edited by AnttiL; 25th October 2020 at 19:52.
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25th October 2020, 19:46 #812
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Group B wouldn't have continued alongside Group S. Group S would have replaced Group B for 1988. And most cars would have been just converted into Group S.
Metro debuted in RAC 1985, Citroen in Monte 1986, Ford in Sweden 1986, Group B still attracted new teams, instead of teams dropping out.
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26th October 2020, 02:32 #813
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26th October 2020, 07:39 #814
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26th October 2020, 08:55 #815
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26th October 2020, 09:02 #816
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But how many manufacturer teams we have now that are running Rally2 cars? We only have M-Sport and Hyundai. VW is not a manufacturer team and likely never will be again. Skoda just ended their program and is under the same VAG policy as VW. Citroen, I'm not sure what kind of a deal they're running with Østberg. Toyota doesn't have a car yet.
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26th October 2020, 09:11 #817
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26th October 2020, 11:38 #818
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Toksport? If so, I didn't know.
And don’t you think that if Rally2 was to become the top class with resulting increase in publicity those manufacturers you mentioned wouldn’t make more of an effort?
Like I said, there's a big difference in budget to run 1-2 drivers in 8 rallies (planned minimum of WRC2) compared to running 3 drivers in 14 events. And there's a difference in salary with drivers like Gryazin and Tänak. In fact, the former most likely brings money in, the latter is one of the most expensive drivers.
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26th October 2020, 18:12 #819
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Solberg is still run by Skoda Motorsport.
Do they want to promote these models? Some of those bodyshells are already quite old.
Like I said, there's a big difference in budget to run 1-2 drivers in 8 rallies (planned minimum of WRC2) compared to running 3 drivers in 14 events. And there's a difference in salary with drivers like Gryazin and Tänak. In fact, the former most likely brings money in, the latter is one of the most expensive drivers.
Everyone likes the current WRCars but it looks increasingly like the sport is going to have to make some major changes to secure it’s long term health. What’s your alternative?
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26th October 2020, 18:37 #820
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I was under the impression he just rents their services. There's a big difference paying someone to drive a car that you pay to be build, prepared, fixed and developed instead of someone bringing in all the budget (and paying his own salary).
Skoda was still a proper factory team last year, they ran even five drivers in 2018, remember?
So are current i20 and Yaris.
The primary reason to bring down running costs might be to make the sport more accessible to some strong drivers with some but limited budget.
Everyone likes the current WRCars but it looks increasingly like the sport is going to have to make some major changes to secure it’s long term health. What’s your alternative?
If Hyundai decides to leave WRC, I'm sure they would leave even if the series was run with Rally2 cars.Last edited by AnttiL; 26th October 2020 at 18:49.
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A nice analysis from the rally: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-we-learned-from-rally-italy-sardinia-2024/
[WRC] Rally Italia Sardegna 2024