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    That is one of biggest problems of rally nowadays. Make groups will not fight one against other. 1 win, yes! But 1 loose. Some little percentages ok, it is possible. But how explain Peugeot loose to Citroën? Or the vice-versa? The funds come from where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira View Post
    That is one of biggest problems of rally nowadays. Make groups will not fight one against other. 1 win, yes! But 1 loose. Some little percentages ok, it is possible. But how explain Peugeot loose to Citroën? Or the vice-versa? The funds come from where?
    I had same thought one day. How many big automotive mergers actually we have?

    Daimler are currently alone as far as my memory serves me

    BMW Mini Rolls-Royce

    VW Audi Škoda SEAT Porsche Bugatti Bentley Lamborghini

    PSA-FCA has Maserati Alfa Romeo Lancia FIAT Dodge Chrysler Peugeot Citroën Opel/Vauxhall

    Renault Nissan Dacia Lada

    Toyota has Daihatsu, Lexus and Subaru (only 20%)

    TATA Jaguar Land Rover

    Hyundai Kia

    GM has Chevrolet GMC Buick Cadillac Holden

    Ford
    Suzuki
    Mazda
    Mitsubishi
    Honda


    Not much to choose if we count in who already participates, who is not interested and are driven by their global policies, some of them do not have the right segment cars and market share, some of them are not doing well...
    In that light I would be happy if no manufacture leaves and we have one more to join.






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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    I had same thought one day. How many big automotive mergers actually we have?

    Daimler are currently alone as far as my memory serves me

    BMW Mini Rolls-Royce

    VW Audi Škoda SEAT Porsche Bugatti Bentley Lamborghini

    PSA-FCA has Maserati Alfa Romeo Lancia FIAT Dodge Chrysler Peugeot Citroën Opel/Vauxhall

    Renault Nissan Dacia Lada

    Toyota has Daihatsu, Lexus and Subaru (only 20%)

    TATA Jaguar Land Rover

    Hyundai Kia

    GM has Chevrolet GMC Buick Cadillac Holden

    Ford
    Suzuki
    Mazda
    Mitsubishi
    Honda


    Not much to choose if we count in who already participates, who is not interested and are driven by their global policies, some of them do not have the right segment cars and market share, some of them are not doing well...
    In that light I would be happy if no manufacture leaves and we have one more to join.






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    Daimler have a hook up with Nissan/Renault for some stuff, the X Class is a Nissan underneath.

    Toyota also have collaboration with PSA, for the Aygo/1008 and BMW for the Z4/Supra..

    The lines a blurred everywhere you look these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubled1978 View Post
    Toyota also have collaboration with PSA, for the Aygo/1008
    Is's Aygo/107/C1 but this collaboration is going to an end. Since 2021 Toyota takes over the factory in Kolín, CZ, and the joint venture will be over. Toyota will produce Yaris there.

    Anyway these are only joint ventures like many others (Mitsubishi/Kia/Hyundai engine cooperation for example). Those are not about the brand ownership sharing.
    Last edited by Mirek; 15th January 2020 at 18:04.
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