New R4 Car - Think Tank

[Mirek]

You said that sending a youngster from R2 to R5 is not a good idea (and that's what I answered to) and now You say that it's no problem if there are money. That doesn't make any sense.

[Tarmop]

I said there should be a cheaper 4wd option to use in nationals and internationals for those not born with a golden spoon in their mouth, so they could learn, find sponsors or gain experience and confidence to do their maximum with better and more expensive equipment. Some examples weren`t the best yes, because in those cases money wasn`t or still isn`t a problem (but who knows, maybe they would`ve developed more by now? (aanyways, that`s another story).

[KKS]

The gap from R2 to R5 is still too big, ... Youngsters really need 4wd experience at home, with less stress and smaller funding.

Agree with that, and old N4 rules 100% getting in into this gap. They need good 4wd car who everyone can build by his own. Yes it's another big step from N4 to R5, but driving skills and technique more equal than R2 to R5. FWD and 4WD even comparable.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good driver's can take the step up from R2 FWD to R5 4WD quite easily. But this isnt the issue - its cost.

When a 5-year-old R5 is still over E100,000 (plus running costs), what normal person can afford that ?

Say I wanted to enter a decent rally series with a 4WD car, what are my affordable options ? Just ancient Subarus and Evos.

[racerx1979]

Good driver's can take the step up from R2 FWD to R5 4WD quite easily. But this isnt the issue - its cost.

When a 5-year-old R5 is still over E100,000 (plus running costs), what normal person can afford that ?

Say I wanted to enter a decent rally series with a 4WD car, what are my affordable options ? Just ancient Subarus and Evos.

Yup, just old Subies and Evos. There are also the proto cars which are slowly evolving. On the cheap they can be has for $50-60k depending on spec.

[Tarmop]

Only for certain national events...old N-s and Protos, although the last are one of the best things that has happened to a petrolhead fan, when talking about local championships.

[racerx1979]

Yeah too bad a lot of organizations don't allow protos to run. The Yaris, Suzuki, Mitsu, Ford and VW protos built by Dytko are decent quality and look great in person.

[KKS]

but all this proto's it's EvoX so what a difference of EvoX with Fiesta bodyshell and EvoX with Evo bodyshell?

[Tarmop]

Not all are Evo's and most if not all aren't really grp. N spec. Chassis and R5 style suspension is also a lot better than Gr. N.

[racerx1979]

Basically an old R4 EVO or WRX on steriods. Updated shock towers and chassis strengthening aids in a better overall car if built right. STEC, Evolve and Dytko all make great protos.

Similar to today's R4 concept with the power plant being an EVO motor. Some even have options for. Subie motor.