New R4 Car - Think Tank

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Our overseas members wrote here some time a go that due to taxes it's often extremely expensive to bring an R5 car into their countries while building their own R4 using a works kit can give them competitive FIA-eligible car which is much cheaper than the R5. In Europe it's different of course as here we have tons of used R5 available.

Sorry for being Euro-centric guys !

And I was also thinking the same about the amount of used R5's that will also attract drivers instead of an R4.

Time will tell.

[Jarek Z]

Where in the world does Toyota sell the Etios model?

Maybe in Paraguay? They even have an official Toyota team in their rally championship with Toyota Etios R5.

[Coach 2]

[QUOTE=mArvAlcao17;1198131]"but R4 isn't a good option either"

R4 may not be an option for you, but to conclude that R4 is generally a bad choice, will be incorrect.
For all countries where ASN has not chosen to allow "home-made 4WD" or made its own rules / class, such as AP-dit or datt, R4 is the option it was supposed to be.
If an importer or dealer organization wants to promote itself within rally, but represent a car brand that has not homologated an R5, they can build an R4.

[Sulland]

So maybe Tommi will hire a local firm to build him a Yaris R4 now to start off junior drivers there before going to WRC2, and to sell.

Would be good PR for Toyota. Most fans will see a Toyota anyway, apart from the few petrolheads.

[Zeakiwi]

There is already a Yaris R4 in Poland - Evolve. If the poles have built a few of them, hopefully they leanred from building process rather than have a finnish shop starting from scratch.
TMR could get the poles to do the chassis work and the finnish workshop would do the fitout and wiring (standard motorsport looms etc) for reliability and the techs can fault find on an event easily.

http://www.evolve-motorsport.com/yarisr4evolve/

2019 yaris hatch europe - limited run y20 and gr sport
https://youtu.be/5EambeTCiSc

[pantealex]

Remember that Toyota has said: We will make R2 and R5.

[Zeakiwi]

are toyota/ tmr/gr etc waiting for the 2020 yaris chassis before making an R5 due to limitations of the current yaris chassis?

[Tarmop]

Could very well be, but mostly it`s the engine they are waiting. But what scratch? I think they have enough experience and equipment from turning fwd Yaris into a WRC, so an R5 wouldn`t be a problem.

[Mirek]

It's not that simple with R5 due to rather complicated rules. It's actually very difficult to develop it. Every team found that, even VW had a lot of issues in R5 development. The main problem is that You have to use a lot of stock parts and You have a given price list not only for the car but also for most of its parts. This is extremely difficult to handle.

[Tarmop]

Well, but how should it give an advantage to R4 ( basically an Oreca kit mounted to a modified chassis of some make) builders ahead of factory know-how and equipment?