M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

[tomhlord]

Mitsubishi (given the rumors).

There's no way they would join unless hybridisation is adapted in the ruleset (which it sounds like it may be in the future, so possible but only from that date onwards)

[deephouse]

First they need to start making road cars again not only SUV-s. Except if the future lies there.

[pantealex]

Mitsubishi (given the rumors).
Anyway, it's prbly better to start before Ford pulls out completely, rater than be surprised by it like prodrive did.

Mitsubishi is part of Nissan/Renault alliance, why would they use their hybrid brand ? Both Nissan and Renault make "sport" cars.

[deephouse]

Buth both don't have WRC experience from WRC era. And are not interested at all to even try. Mitsubishi does. And they've won couple of times.

[pantealex]

Buth both don't have WRC experience from WRC era. And are not interested at all to even try. Mitsubishi does. And they've won couple of times.

Mitsubishi WRC experience was not built in Japan...

European car which was built with mostly european people.

Try to understand that Nissan/Renault owns Mitsubishi brand, Mitsu people can´t do anything without owners aplication.

[br21]

I was in the group at the tour of their service area for MS-RT Supporters at Rally GB. As well as seeing everything happening there close-up, we were also given a 45 minute talk by one of the bosses.

Among the masses of information we were told, in the part about the making of an R5 car and he definitely said they start with a Fiesta ST from the factory which is then stripped and converted into the rally car.

I assume this is because its a Ford (and not manufactured by M-Sport) and so has to be an actual road car to start with. Plus the engine also has to start as a factory 1.6 Ecoboost which is then 'optimised' by the engineers.

The new ST has a 1.5T 3-cylinder engine so maybe they had to wait for this to develop for the new R5 ?

I'm currently supervising build of R5 Fiesta, chassis of which was made from used road car with some 60k km on the clock. All paperwork from M-Sport and FIA is done and is fully correct, so I know what I'm writing. It can be ST or Ecoboost model. It needs to be based on normal road car as needs to have proper VIN number. And engine is not based on ST road car, actually engine for current Fiesta is based on some 1,8 engine from Mondeo I think. It just needs to be engine from the group. Engine for new Fiesta will be based on 2,0l from US market.

[Tarmop]

Same with the Fabia, 1.6l engine from a downgraded 1.8l Chinese market engine.
"The mass-produced engine, from which the racing engine of the ŠKODA FABIA R5 is derived, was originally introduced in the Volkswagen Lamando and ŠKODA Superb cars for the Chinese market."

And that is also, what Toyota is waiting for with their project...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm currently supervising build of R5 Fiesta, chassis of which was made from used road car with some 60k km on the clock. All paperwork from M-Sport and FIA is done and is fully correct, so I know what I'm writing. It can be ST or Ecoboost model. It needs to be based on normal road car as needs to have proper VIN number. And engine is not based on ST road car, actually engine for current Fiesta is based on some 1,8 engine from Mondeo I think. It just needs to be engine from the group. Engine for new Fiesta will be based on 2,0l from US market.

I was only repeating what the M-Sport guy said. THEY use a new ST road-car from the factory and strip it to make an R5.
I would assume it will be the same with the Mk8 Fiesta R5.

By the way, if its not based on an engine for the Fiesta road-car can they really say its powered by Ecoboost ? I dont think there was a Mondeo 1.8 Ecoboost.

[T16]

I was only repeating what the M-Sport guy said. THEY use a new ST road-car from the factory and strip it to make an R5.
I would assume it will be the same with the Mk8 Fiesta R5.

By the way, if its not based on an engine for the Fiesta road-car can they really say its powered by Ecoboost ? I dont think there was a Mondeo 1.8 Ecoboost.

They won’t use much if the original engine Eddie. Eco boost is just a brand name.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They won’t use much if the original engine Eddie. Eco boost is just a brand name.

'Ford Ecoboost' is ok but using the words 'Powered by..' is misleading then.