New R4 Car - Think Tank

[Rally Power]

No news from Oreca since December. Was the R4 kit actually homologated?

[TWRC]

In Hungary there will supposedly be a Mitsubishi Mirage R4. Whether that is true or not I am skeptical, as the car looks like a Mirage R5, but here are pictures of the car: https://www.facebook.com/LATYAK.raci...22721714946463

[Mirek]

They can use existing exterior parts of the R5 if those don't violate the R4 regs.

[Sulland]

Oreca does not seem to be eager to push this to the market.

It might just be a kit, but they need to demonstrate to potential buyers the speed and handeling this will give them, instead of a used R5. The maintenence cost is hard to demonstrate, so we only have to take their word for that.

If they are not prepared to build a few cars and show them off in different rallies, this FIA project will never be more than a paper tiger!

[RICARDO75]

In Hungary there will supposedly be a Mitsubishi Mirage R4. Whether that is true or not I am skeptical, as the car looks like a Mirage R5, but here are pictures of the car: https://www.facebook.com/LATYAK.raci...22721714946463

Mirage Proto from Dytko Sport

[MartijnS]

Jim vd Heuvel has driven a proto Fiesta in the Netherlands last weekend. Finally permission from autosport council to start.
Evo engine with Fiesta body.



Became second after Jasper vd Heuvel with a Fiesta R5. Losing about a minute on 55 min total on speed.

[AdvEvo]

Proto has no Future and it is a big mistake to let these cars compete.

First of all to close to R5. So R5 drivers are not happy about it and will maybe pass dutch events.

Second. Evo s are out of production so parts for the Proto wil be in later stadium hard to get.

Third The dutch RDW MOT station will never approve a car which is made from 2 cars into one.


You buy an R5 of you buy the fia R4 kit. If you want a good 4wd car.

I know it s all to expensive but manufactures make no group N cars anymore. I wish it was different.

[Rally Power]

Proto has no Future and it is a big mistake to let these cars compete.
First of all to close to R5. So R5 drivers are not happy about it and will maybe pass dutch events.
Second. Evo s are out of production so parts for the Proto wil be in later stadium hard to get.
Third The dutch RDW MOT station will never approve a car which is made from 2 cars into one.
You buy an R5 of you buy the fia R4 kit. If you want a good 4wd car.
I know it s all to expensive but manufactures make no group N cars anymore. I wish it was different.

Doesn’t the Fabia R5 use a Chinese VW engine block? No idea about Dutch MOT rules, but if local protos aren’t permitted to get engines from other brands, what will happen to R4 cars?

Honestly, it’s hard to understand why some people don’t like these privatelly tuned protos based on the Evo, the Impreza or any other brand stock parts.

For amateur drivers they’re a reasonable option to the old Gr.N machines and they also allow new manus to get involved at rally, through their importers or dealers.

ASN’s promoting these protos as a 4wd entry class are doing the job the FIA should have done a long time ago; we’re still waiting for the R4 cars debut, even knowing their prices won’t be cheap.

Btw, Dytko has now become a partner of Spanish tuner ARVidal on the new Swift N5 development: https://rallyes.info/noticias/pawel-...n-del-swift-r/

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

I think these R4-kits could be 2wd.

[Mirek]

I think these R4-kits could be 2wd.

Why?