Well. I suppose if you can't criticise him for outqualifying Hamilton, then it's lucky for such critics are able to diminish Bottas because he didn't win the race.

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journeyman racer, you usually are a very sensible poster, but I must say that lately you're looking a lot like an unreasonable fanboy. It's OK to appreciate Ricciardo, but you don't need to look down on other drivers to make him look better by comparison.

While I agree that Verstappen is a tad overrated, there's no denying that the guy has buckets of potential and that he could turn into a great if he manages to temper that hot head of his.
Feel free to quote specific lines from mine that particularly annoy. As a general opinion doesn't give me any insight as to what bothers you.

Regarding Verstappen. He's already consigned as an all time great, even though he's win just as many races as Thierry Boutsen. I'd rather applaud someone after the fact.

Consider the anticipation of Hamilton's career? Atfer Brazil 08, his fans and British media assumed without hesitation that he'd achieve the results he's achieved now. It's just they thought he'd achieve this results by the end of 13, not since 13!

That's six years of overwhelming Hamilton gushing, while Vettel blew away his stats, and Alonso banged in a series of seasons and performances that increase his reputation beyond even winning two titles did, and elevated him above Hamilton and Vettel, despite having never won a title with either of them there, despite whatever Hamilton's unexpected performances in 07 did to diminish his reputation.

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Though I would usually agree and respect your opinion Bagwan, I see it more as trolling for an argument based on a thread that has already died. If anyone didn't wish to continue a debate there, why drag it into here?

And I actually quite like Ricciardo and Max both. If I were in a position to have one on a team, it would be a tough decision. One is more calculated, seasoned, and generally a bit more predictable on track. The other is younger, aggressive, a wet weather terror, and maturing with time.


But back to reasoned discussion at hand, would it be fair if I said Ricciardo was a complete potato for hitting the wall during qually in Baku and causing a red flag? I think it would just add flames to the fire, and would rather bring up that virtually EVERY driver at some point does something similar. I'm usually one to be all in for any [i][b]reasoned and sensible[\i][\b] debate, opinion and dialogue. But at times it seems that certain combinations lately are just getting away from any fact based debate and well into the grey area of opinions.
TBK and Nitrodaze made sweeping generalisations in the Aus GP that had to be called out. It had to be carried into here to highlight how insignificant pointless it was making such generalisations two weeks ago was.

To clarify my point. truefan was quick to diminish Bottas itt. I think you'll that truefan made similar criticisms of Bottas in last year's Bahrain GP thread. Something like that he's not up to it? Well, what happened in the following race?