New R4 Car - Think Tank

[TheFlyingTuga]

You mix two different categories which were created in different time (approximately 5 years between introduction of both classes). It's not fair to mix conditions in one sentence

Yeah, I know that, but wouldn't it be easier to allow small racing shops to try their hand at the R5 class as well? And some other R class

Thanks for correction but which 11? Abarth, Peugeot, Škoda, Ford, Citroën (RRC), Proton, VW, Toyota, Opel, MG and 11th?

My bad, I meant 10 cars, not counting the RRC (at least the Mini is accounted in Wikipedia as a S2000 Car) but counting the Lada 112 Vk S2000, that as far as I know had FIA papers, but never raced outside of Russia.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Little bit OOT, but what's the differences between Dytko's Proto with Evolve's..?

That Yaris looks good..

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[racerx1979]

A spec R2 isn't a good option either tbh, what i want is lower tech like removal of sequential shift

That is what the R1 class does. Search for R1 MSport Fiesta. No sequential. Not even sure if it is a dogbox...

[Mirek]

A spec R2 isn't a good option either tbh, what i want is lower tech like removal of sequential shift

What's wrong with sequential gearbox? It's very reliable solution. Even cheap Adam cup cars have sequential gearbox and the concept works great. For me Adam cup cars are a great example how it can be done.

[Mirek]

Yeah, I know that, but wouldn't it be easier to allow small racing shops to try their hand at the R5 class as well? And some other R class

My bad, I meant 10 cars, not counting the RRC (at least the Mini is accounted in Wikipedia as a S2000 Car) but counting the Lada 112 Vk S2000, that as far as I know had FIA papers, but never raced outside of Russia.

Privateers stand no chance against works teams anyway so I don't think that allowing private homologations in R5 would lead to any success. Maximum what can be achieved is few exotic slow cars which disappear after several outings. The top level is too hard battleground.

I think that Lada was never FIA homologated but You and Pluto are right that Mini was the eleventh homologated S2000.

[mArvAlcao17]

What's wrong with sequential gearbox? It's very reliable solution. Even cheap Adam cup cars have sequential gearbox and the concept works great. For me Adam cup cars are a great example how it can be done.

It's still not cheap at here, unfortunately. Malaysia too (excluding UK-built Protons).

[Sulland]

What's wrong with sequential gearbox? It's very reliable solution. Even cheap Adam cup cars have sequential gearbox and the concept works great. For me Adam cup cars are a great example how it can be done.

For me the most amazing thing is that street cars are still delivered with H gearbox, and that not all new cars with manual come with sequential boxes.
There should be enough knowhow from the motorcycle industry.

[Mirek]

For me the most amazing thing is that street cars are still delivered with H gearbox, and that not all new cars with manual come with sequential boxes.
There should be enough knowhow from the motorcycle industry.

No street car comes with real sequential gearbox. They have sometimes sequential shifting but with completely different mechanics. The reason for using H-pattern gearboxes is that there are simply completely different priorities - comfort, noise, no maintanence, price etc.

However the reason why it's good that Adam Cup cars have sequential gearbox are numerous. Young drivers need to learn how to drive with it because all bigger and faster rally cars (except dying out gr.N) have it as well. There is no benefit for them in using H-pattern shifting. Also the gearbox is extremely reliable and easy to maintain.

[Zeakiwi]

Proper aftermarket sequential transmissions (aftermarket flat shift engine cuts etc) are put in 'street' cars, pfitzner australia sequential in r32 gtr. a bit less noise than some race sequential gear sets. https://youtu.be/I2nyFmkSnuc (transmission probably cost a lot though)

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I wonder if some of R5 cars will have the R4 counterparts.

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