New R4 Car - Think Tank

[mArvAlcao17]

Anybody here know why my replies are still not confirmed by moderators?

[mArvAlcao17]

I sent some replies 2 days ago, but not yet accepted

[PLuto]

Anybody here know why my replies are still not confirmed by moderators?

Hmm, I didnt know that some posts must be confirmed...

[Rasantes]

Sarrazin testing yesterday in gravel:

[AnttiL]

Hmm, I didnt know that some posts must be confirmed...

I think it was for new users when posting links. Spam bots usually post links, so that's why fresh users must be watched.

[mArvAlcao17]

I think it was for new users when posting links. Spam bots usually post links, so that's why fresh users must be watched.

hmm...do you know how many time it neede before it's confirmed?

[pantealex]

hmm...do you know how many time it neede before it's confirmed?

For pics it was 20 messages if I remember correctly.

[mArvAlcao17]

I just made the list of the cars which eligible to be converted to R4 spec, and driven it into Indonesian Championship. Some of them made me interested.

Of course the list could be shorter considering numerous things.

1 euro = 15928.33 rupiah

FIA R4.jpg

[racerx1979]

The biggest concern for me would be build costs. You would need to heavily modify the chassis in order to fit the 4wd drivetrain, wheel well modification, fuel cell mounting, updated subframe mounts, suspension turrets etc. I'm sure labor rates are cheaper in Indonesia than many countries, but the process would need to be carried out by a top spec fabrication shop. In the USA, Australia, NZ or Europe, the cost to build a chassis around an R4 spec car would be quite high. This would then bring the price close to the R5 spec after all is said and done.

If one can buy a car directly from Oreca ready to run, such as the Toyota Etios, than it would be the best case scenario. What does one do with a one-off custom built chassis when they have an accident and need a new shell. It's not like we have a ton of Toyota Yaris R4 body shells for sale. Do you build two shells so you can have a spare? I can find a few Fiesta and Skoda R5 shells for sale in a few minutes via the popular rally classified sites.

[mArvAlcao17]

The biggest concern for me would be build costs. You would need to heavily modify the chassis in order to fit the 4wd drivetrain, wheel well modification, fuel cell mounting, updated subframe mounts, suspension turrets etc. I'm sure labor rates are cheaper in Indonesia than many countries, but the process would need to be carried out by a top spec fabrication shop. In the USA, Australia, NZ or Europe, the cost to build a chassis around an R4 spec car would be quite high. This would then bring the price close to the R5 spec after all is said and done.

If one can buy a car directly from Oreca ready to run, such as the Toyota Etios, than it would be the best case scenario. What does one do with a one-off custom built chassis when they have an accident and need a new shell. It's not like we have a ton of Toyota Yaris R4 body shells for sale. Do you build two shells so you can have a spare? I can find a few Fiesta and Skoda R5 shells for sale in a few minutes via the popular rally classified sites.

Buying cars directly from Oreca is the worst scenario as well for us because the hefty tax. However i never heard any cars destroyed during rally, so the crews at here can keep their car very well (of course R4 could be challenging). If teams like Toyota Team Indonesia could support the project at here...