2018 Teams

**Simmi** · 27th July 2017, 14:43

In years to come Toyota may regret the decision not to sign Ogier.

The question is - do you truly believe that Jari can beat Seb across a season? I have seen no evidence at all that he can do this. You're basically relying on the performance advantage coming from the Yaris. Again I would be worried that if you give Seb a second season in the Fiesta they get more comfortable and he again becomes unbeatable.

Ogier gives Toyota the best chance to win championships. That's just a cold hard fact. It may not fit the Finnish hero team narrative. But at the end of the day Toyota aren't pouring in money to make Finland proud.

**mknight** · 27th July 2017, 17:17

Originally Posted by Simmi

The question is - do you truly believe that Jari can beat Seb across a season? I have seen no evidence at all that he can do this.

Up until half of this season I would never believe it, but so far this season Latvala has been surprisingly consistent. Drivers mostly get more consistent/less likely to crash later in their career. (ex. Gronholm).

So there is some possibility, but it's not very likely.

**steve.mandzij** · 27th July 2017, 17:37

Originally Posted by Simmi

In years to come Toyota may regret the decision not to sign Ogier.

The question is - do you truly believe that Jari can beat Seb across a season? I have seen no evidence at all that he can do this. You're basically relying on the performance advantage coming from the Yaris. Again I would be worried that if you give Seb a second season in the Fiesta they get more comfortable and he again becomes unbeatable.

Ogier gives Toyota the best chance to win championships. That's just a cold hard fact. It may not fit the Finnish hero team narrative. But at the end of the day Toyota aren't pouring in money to make Finland proud.

I do still see Latvala winning a championship. The chances are slim, and he might have to rely on some cases of misfortune for Ogier, but he's still hungry for the title, very quick and increasingly consistent. Had it not been for the Yaris' engine issues and his flu in Portugal who knows where in the standings he'd be now?

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**Daviesalaam** · 28th July 2017, 11:01

TGR new engine... Seems its on fire.. Lets find out end of the rally

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**racerx1979** · 28th July 2017, 13:34

New engine? They're allowed to change engines mid season?

**Morte66** · 29th July 2017, 17:05

A question...

With all the speculation of Ford coming back, do they really need to "come back" in the sense of spending 50-70 million euros per year like VW supposedly did? Or would an extra 5-10 million be enough to pay Ogier, develop the Fiesta, and keep him happy to stay?

**AnttiL** · 29th July 2017, 17:07

Originally Posted by racerx1979

New engine? They're allowed to change engines mid season?

Homologation joker

**denkimi** · 29th July 2017, 20:53

Originally Posted by Morte66

A question...

With all the speculation of Ford coming back, do they really need to "come back" in the sense of spending 50-70 million euros per year like VW supposedly did? Or would an extra 5-10 million be enough to pay Ogier, develop the Fiesta, and keep him happy to stay?

It depends on what they hope to achieve. If they actually want to become champions again, they will have to invest many millions. If they just want cheap exposure, they can give just enough to keep ogier.

**racerx1979** · 29th July 2017, 21:48

Originally Posted by AnttiL

Homologation joker

Wow, cool. I thought it was limited to engine components, but a new engine could be related to why Latvala had an ECU issue. Each rally this year is interesting since these cars and drivers are changing so much as the season progresses. Germany will be interesting as well. What a year!