Citroen WRT

**wrc2017** · 3rd July 2017, 23:50

Well in your opinion you now must agree the fundamental car design, tech team, and test venue hold a fair majority of the blame.

On Meeke 2nd crash at Argentina,
In a previous post, it told you to look at in car video wrc+. At 200kmh the front of the car was wandering from side to side, and he effectively understeer off the road. My opinion, that the rear wing was fitted incorrectly after the first crash, giving way too much downforce on the rear. It totally evident from the video if you care to look.

Originally Posted by mknight

It's not clearer to me at all, any test venue that runs over a day or more will prbly suit the car after you change the setup enough.
The two options I listed is the two possible meanings of Matton's statement, not my opinion.

I personally don't blame drivers only for how the C3 started. I do blame Meeke for Argentina 2nd off-Portugal-Sardinia if that's what you are asking.

**dimviii** · 3rd July 2017, 23:51

Originally Posted by mknight

I give up.
Tests didn't reveal how sensitive the car was to perfect setup (Matton's claim based on driver feedback to tests) that IS a problem.

I answer to your post, that you are reffering at the short repeated tests,and that some people had misjudjed that c3 was fast at dry asphalt.
Not what Matton says.My quote was very clear.

**wrc2017** · 3rd July 2017, 23:52

But if the test venue were not representative of rally? Whos fault is that?

Originally Posted by mknight

I give up.
Tests didn't reveal how sensitive the car was to perfect setup (Matton's claim based on driver feedback to tests) that IS a problem.

**mknight** · 3rd July 2017, 23:57

Originally Posted by wrc2017

But if the test venue were not representative of rally? Whos fault is that?

That's going to the speculation part I mentioned
"you can blame anyone depending on your angle, designers for design choices, drivers for feedback, people setting up the tests... team management for not getting other test drivers etc etc."

**wrc2017** · 4th July 2017, 00:05

I can tell you now... the driver doesnt pick the test road. So speculation over.

Originally Posted by mknight

That's going to the speculation part I mentioned
"you can blame anyone depending on your angle, designers for design choices, drivers for feedback, people setting up the tests... team management for not getting other test drivers etc etc."

**Sulland** · 4th July 2017, 00:27

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

So Christophe Besse appointed as Citroen Racing’s new Technical Director ... is this significant ?

What has he done before this job?

**wrc2017** · 4th July 2017, 00:40

http://www.autohebdo.fr/wrc/actualit...en-186925.html

Originally Posted by Sulland

What has he done before this job?

**KKS** · 4th July 2017, 00:48

Originally Posted by wrc2017

On Meeke 2nd crash at Argentina,
In a previous post, it told you to look at in car video wrc+. At 200kmh the front of the car was wandering from side to side, and he effectively understeer off the road. My opinion, that the rear wing was fitted incorrectly after the first crash, giving way too much downforce on the rear. It totally evident from the video if you care to look.

It was a same as in Sardegna or Sweden - rear went wide and clip a bank. Speed was big and that small touch start roll-over.

**itix** · 4th July 2017, 00:50

Sorry to continue off topic... but could someone please explain in a technical way to my dumb brain how torque split can be anything other than 50/50 over a differential unless said differential is toque vectoring (like evo rear diff or various lexus diffs etc etc). Provided all wheels have the same amount of grip and there is no differential speed, the amount of force sent on both the pinion gears should be exactly equal.