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    Quote Originally Posted by Lundefaret View Post
    When the Petter/Loeb-duel was going on at its most fierce (03, 04) Petter was on Pirellis and Loeb on Michelins.
    Michelin came out with their "super tire" in 2004.
    Big difference between then and now is that they where running with mouse, so a puncture wasnt that crucial (Petters Ouninpohja record was set with a punctured front, something not possible today.

    Michelin went with a softer tire and softer core structure than Pirelli. The same is happening now with Dmack vs Michelin. In some back to back tests rumour has it that the Dmacks have been up to 0,5 sec pr km faster than the Michelin (Rumour), but they are off course stretching the envelope when it comes to withstanding punctures and also in regards to wear.
    Dmacks hard is softer and wear rate is higher than Michelins hard, same with soft.
    I`ve been to countless tire test and I see no reason that the 0,5s/k can`t be true, the more interesting question is for how long a distance it`s faster before it starts to loose time, and how rapidly it looses time. As we saw in Sardinia Tänak lost alot when he lost the thread completely so even though it was faster in the end he lost alot of time. As Dmack even openly admits they have made the tire basically for 3 events Poland, Finland and GB. This has to be considered a smart move since they gain alot of media time when Tänak is in the top even parts of the rallies.. Michelin have made their tyre to cover a complete season and they are stronger still over a year. But it`s great to see Dmack has lifted the level alot and it must force Michelin to make more development in the performance area for next season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariusz View Post
    Some people were blaming Kubica all the time last year when his tires were going off the rims. So take it easy, everybody who wants to know will figure out that Michelin and DMack are not the same tires and they give advantages in certain circumstances, but are also weaker in other things.
    Actually it's the other way around. Everybody has to know limits of things he uses simply because it doesn't help anything to push like hell and have a puncture every second stage. In the end the puncture is near always a result of driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lundefaret View Post
    But rallying after 2004 have in my opinion never been more exiting than it is now. On the contrary to former "paying drivers times" we have now drivers that ca take advantage of that starting position and even win from it. This has been a long time coming, and is great for the sport.
    With new regulations - for better or for worse they are definitely getting to be the tak of the town - WRC is having a resurgence, so this is great
    Couldn't agree more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    I`ve been to countless tire test and I see no reason that the 0,5s/k can`t be true, the more interesting question is for how long a distance it`s faster before it starts to loose time, and how rapidly it looses time. As we saw in Sardinia Tänak lost alot when he lost the thread completely so even though it was faster in the end he lost alot of time. As Dmack even openly admits they have made the tire basically for 3 events Poland, Finland and GB. This has to be considered a smart move since they gain alot of media time when Tänak is in the top even parts of the rallies.. Michelin have made their tyre to cover a complete season and they are stronger still over a year. But it`s great to see Dmack has lifted the level alot and it must force Michelin to make more development in the performance area for next season
    very well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Actually it's the other way around. Everybody has to know limits of things he uses simply because it doesn't help anything to push like hell and have a puncture every second stage. In the end the puncture is near always a result of driving.
    But going slower doesn't guarantee not having punctures. And it would no point for Dmack to finish last in WRC, just to minimize risk of punctures. They are here to get publicity and as the result to sell more tires, you can't achieve this by going slow.

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    DMACK Launches New WRC Asphalt Tyre Range

    Building on its recent success in the FIA World Rally Championship, DMACK has launched a new range of Tarmac tyres ahead of next week's ADAC Rallye Deutschland – the first all-asphalt round of the series.
    Playing its mid-season joker, which permits the firm to homologate a new specification asphalt tyre, DMACK will debut a revised version of its dry weather DMT-RC2 along with the all-new DMT-W full wet pattern.

    Competitors tackling the tricky German round of the world series will have access to two new dry compounds in the DMT-RC, a soft S5+ and the hard H5+. Both feature upgraded constructions and the latest compounding technology - the result of four months testing and development.

    Alongside the dry pattern, and in response to new FIA regulations to enhance safety in wet weather, DMACK has also launched the all-new DMT-W. Designed specifically to cope with standing water and wet asphalt, the symmetrical pattern features deep grooves to clear water but still retains large surface blocks, allowing it to be used in drying conditions.

    The new British-built products have been developed as part of DMACK's technical and manufacturing partnership with the Avon Motorsport arm of Cooper Tire, using the same principles that have seen its recently upgraded gravel tyres take 16 WRC stage victories over the last three events.
    While the new range offers enhanced performance, the development of a leading asphalt tyre is more complex and long-term than a gravel equivalent and DMACK will develop its DMT-RC2 product even further during the remainder of the season.

    Dick Cormack, DMACK managing director, said: "At the start of the season we outlined our intent to take DMACK to the next level through testing and product development. We've proved our ability with the gravel tyres and we've been working intently on the asphalt products. Our new range is a significant step forward and, while targeted initially at WRC, will provide a viable option for regional and national championships."


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    Shame about the alternator problem, Tänak was driving well and 5th would have been a great debut result for the new tarmac tyre. Still a lot of work to do but i feared a lot worse and Ott seemed to be positively surprised about the performance.

    Dick Cormack, DMACK motorsport director, said: “Our technical and development team has been working hard to improve the asphalt tyres range and, as we’ve seen with our gravel products, it’s really starting to pay off. It’s a major milestone for DMACK and really gives us the platform in our quest to supply a manufacturer next season.”

    Ott Tänak, DMACK World Rally Team driver, said: “I’m quite impressed with the new tyres and it’s a big step forward with performance. We had a good feeling right from the beginning and decided to have a push. On the dry stages everything was good, working well and that allowed us to set some very good times. It’s certainly a positive step for the future.”



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    Team press release http://www.dmacktyres.com/corsican-c...ebut-for-dmack


    im expecting a nightmare weekend for them...the stages are very long and the surface is abrasive so i would be surprised if Tänak would get into TOP8. i hope it rains and a lot.
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    Is the team nominated for Manu' points or not?

    On different siites, different entry lists, with Tanak nominated on some of them, then not nominated on others...
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    Still seem to struggle on tarmac. Tänak is a good tarmac driver and he showed that in Germany, but he was well off the pace this rally. Maybe the stages were to long for the tyres to cope with?

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