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[jens]

I wouldn't even entertain these conspiracy theorists to be honest. It's nothing other than dumb stupidity to suggest that a team would invest 300 million a year only to sabotage one of their cars.

Yeah, that's true. If it turned out a team sabotages their own cars, the company would lose its integrity and wouldn't be taken seriously.

Take it from the personnel point of view. You are a designer, an engineer, a mechanic. You waste countless of hours of preparing that car and then somebody says "sorry, all the work you did is useless, because we don't like the #2 driver we hired and want to take some bits off the car again." No serious person would like to work like that.

[Bagwan]

Yeah, that's true. If it turned out a team sabotages their own cars, the company would lose its integrity and wouldn't be taken seriously.

Take it from the personnel point of view. You are a designer, an engineer, a mechanic. You waste countless of hours of preparing that car and then somebody says "sorry, all the work you did is useless, because we don't like the #2 driver we hired and want to take some bits off the car again." No serious person would like to work like that.

On the other hand , jens , not that it applies in this situation , but it's not that hard to imagine a mechanic or an engineer not working quite as hard as they might for a driver that slags his team , though , is it ?

And , if they've got the edge , it's not hard to imagine them even turning both of them down just a little , to give the others a perception of chance , even if it's not real .
They had a lot of running way out front , where you don't get the coverage , and they've also seen what being too fast can do to the popularity of a team .
Win too much and people want you beaten .

When a little tape can make you defenseless , your team can make a difference .
A close race is what we all want , isn't it ?

[henners88]

So , you are calling it "revenge understeer" ?

No, I'm calling it an 'identical incident' where 2 drivers experience the same type of loss of traction.

What has revenge got to do with it?

[henners88]

On the other hand , jens , not that it applies in this situation , but it's not that hard to imagine a mechanic or an engineer not working quite as hard as they might for a driver that slags his team , though , is it ?

If that were the case both Lewis and Nico would have lost the respect of the team long ago. They've both been frustrated in the past.

Whenever Hamilton is in the discussion you never fail to come across as rather bitter I have to say.

[Bagwan]

No, I'm calling it an 'identical incident' where 2 drivers experience the same type of loss of traction.

What has revenge got to do with it?

I thought you were referring to Nico going down the exit road in qualifying being the wrong that Lewis was
somehow righting here .
I took it that you were saying that the "understeer" was not really present , just as you believe that Nico's was feigned as well .

Perhaps I got that wrong .
Sorry if that's the case , but what did you mean if it wasn't that ?

[Bagwan]

If that were the case both Lewis and Nico would have lost the respect of the team long ago. They've both been frustrated in the past.

Whenever Hamilton is in the discussion you never fail to come across as rather bitter I have to say.

"not that it applies in this situation" is important to notice in my post .

I'm glad I could help you get that thing about me being bitter off your chest .
Any time I can help you that way is just fine with me .

[henners88]

"not that it applies in this situation" is important to notice in my post .

I'm glad I could help you get that thing about me being bitter off your chest .
Any time I can help you that way is just fine with me .

Well I'm sure I'm not alone to be honest mate.

It's reached a point where Hamilton could be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize and predictably yourself and DJ would be here spinning something negative. It just seems like roles have reversed since the old days where you were peace maker and a figure here of impartiality.

[henners88]

I thought you were referring to Nico going down the exit road in qualifying being the wrong that Lewis was
somehow righting here .
I took it that you were saying that the "understeer" was not really present , just as you believe that Nico's was feigned as well .

Perhaps I got that wrong .
Sorry if that's the case , but what did you mean if it wasn't that ?

I meant what I said in my reply to you. Two drivers experiencing the same type of loss of traction. No malice or intent. I'm not the one here trying to add spin to it.

[Stan Reid]

I expect Nico will do a lot better after they finish trying to make up for Hitler.

[Bagwan]

I meant what I said in my reply to you. Two drivers experiencing the same type of loss of traction. No malice or intent. I'm not the one here trying to add spin to it.

Honestly , what did you mean , then ?

How do the two incidents relate ?