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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Still it's the talent what wins and matters. Don't You agree that Ogier with the same car as Latvala and Mikkelsen is very much superior to them even though he never ever bought any place in any team unlike his two team colleagues?
    Bien sur!
    Over time Ogier has proven he has exceptional driving skills.
    (some might say in direct reverse relationship to his skills as a human being---or in comment dit--menschlichkeit?)

    In fact he was picked from a national one make cup run with slow and cheap cars. Similar story with Loeb...
    Mais en France, you may (or may not know) there were in those days quite substantial "primes" paid out well down the field of finishers...Quite impressive amounts in cash and "goodies" in the numerous single makes Coupes.
    I could send you example from the French magazine "Echappment"
    ( I confess I have special affection for France and for their approach to motorsport--it is where I spent 2 seasons doing Internationals in my sport--and getting paid pretty damn good..)


    Also what is so hi-tech on purelly mechanical 4WD without center diff? It's some nice 80' tech level there. Engines and dampers are of course different thing but the cars definitely don't drive themselves.
    I originally was commenting on the results of Camilli doing "after only 9 gravel events"

    My point is I don't know if HE has special unsual talent---when HE is in such a nice machine.
    I know that Latvala and for that matter Hirvonen can drive wonderfully because I have seen them in the simplest of cars---and in my humble opinion, the best car in human history: Group 4 spec Escort....
    Cannot be simpler and still move...
    THEY i know can drive as well in that as anybody..
    We know that of Paddon, too, after NZRC Otago last year..1st Overall in a Appendix K Escort...

    I don't know that of Camilli (and vraimente I don't know that of Ogier either.)

    And for example, the guy who is responsible for NOT being so bitter because the guy spuns his love missives, the "Chinless Wonder Ben Klock", we know that even after spending a fortune on a "free spec Escort" built far better than old Group 4 spec...he lasted a total of 47 seconds of his first stage with that before blowing the first corner hitting a bank and embarrassing himself to the point of dropping out with some transparently absurd excuse in a Press release.

    Take the space ship away and what can they do these Camillis and others..
    my point is "I don't know"


    (perhaps i use the word "know" very strictly? )

    Extreme limited experience in any endevour, and high result make me think the role of experience is not central element.
    Last edited by janvanvurpa; 12th June 2016 at 20:32. Reason: I type bad.
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