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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    They probably did tell him that but that isn't something they would want to say to the adoring public; hence the tape excuse.
    The pit crew were seen removing tape from Rosberg's ducts during a stop , and it was given as an excuse by the team for his lack of pace .
    That the tape was there should not be in question .

    Why , however , it was there on Rosberg's car , and different on Hamilton's , is .


    And , let's get back to a question that Riccardo had about how Hamilton got away with cutting the chicane when under pressure , and not giving it up .
    He was questioned about the squeeze on Daniel , but it seems , never about cutting the chicane .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    Bag, you ain't half cynical...
    Don't you think they'd have just told him he was just not quick enough rather than make the duct taping excuse for his lack of pace?
    The tape wasn't an excuse. You can see them ripping it off during the pitstop. After that his pace upped again, but he was a) already trapped behind Alonso and b) his brake discs were already glazing. That last info came from Alex Wurz, who is commentating for ORF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagwan View Post
    The pit crew were seen removing tape from Rosberg's ducts during a stop , and it was given as an excuse by the team for his lack of pace .
    That the tape was there should not be in question .

    Why , however , it was there on Rosberg's car , and different on Hamilton's , is .


    And , let's get back to a question that Riccardo had about how Hamilton got away with cutting the chicane when under pressure , and not giving it up .
    He was questioned about the squeeze on Daniel , but it seems , never about cutting the chicane .
    Drivers only get a warning if they cut a chicane twice. If they do it a third time then they get a drive through penalty. As Lewis only did it once, it wasn't deemed a topic for the stewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henners88 View Post
    Drivers only get a warning if they cut a chicane twice. If they do it a third time then they get a drive through penalty. As Lewis only did it once, it wasn't deemed a topic for the stewards.
    Not if you gain an advantage, and keeping your position is a bloody big advantage. The problem is, how do you handle it? Normally you have to reliquish any advantage you get. That's an easy thing to do if you gain a position, you give it back. Several drivers did that, like Rosberg, after he overtook Alonso but didn't make the chicane. But what to do in this case? Forcing him to let RIC past is harsh as we have no way of knowing if Danny would have successfully overtaken had Lewis braked in time. And that's the problem. There is a good chance that he only kept his lead because of cutting the chicane, but we cannot know for sure and that's why he kept his position. Doesn't make it fair. Rosberg got away with the same at Canada last year.
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    Hamilton may have kept his position but it was not enough of an advantage nor was it deliberate. I don't think it was likely Daniel would have taken the position had Lewis not cut the chicane, but that is my view and perhaps the one of the stewards on this occasion.
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    Let's just think about taping the brake ducts .All open wheel racing cars have air ducts to cool the brakes as they can reach incredible temperatures in very hot conditions .In damp or wet tracks they tape the ducts to stem the flow of cool air as the brakes don't run so hot dj says he has it on good authority from Toto that they taped the ducts up on Nico,s car too much ,and not on Lewis,s OR not as much ! Now IF Nico,s brake ducts were taped up more on His car stemming the cool air then his brakes and tyres would be running warmer than Lewis,s were ,as Lewis had no ducting taped so are some people on here or at Mercedes trying to baffle us with bullshit ?

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    And as the track dries ,as ALL the teams racing would have taped the ducts up ,then they would ALL have been reducing the amount of tape on the brake ducts as the conditions got warmer ,it's not rocket science all teams in racing do it ,and drivers report back wether they can get temperature into the brakes or not IF not more ducting is added OR as conditions get hotter tape is removed it's called "Duct Tape"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster View Post
    The tape wasn't an excuse. You can see them ripping it off during the pitstop. After that his pace upped again, but he was a) already trapped behind Alonso and b) his brake discs were already glazing. That last info came from Alex Wurz, who is commentating for ORF.
    When the rain came down in the final laps of the race, Rosberg was dog slow again and actually let Hülkenberg past him.

    In the dry Nico might have been fine - would be weird if we wasn't in a MERCEDES - but whenever the track was slippery he couldn't go fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driveace View Post
    Now IF Nico,s brake ducts were taped up more on His car stemming the cool air then his brakes and tyres would be running warmer than Lewis,s were ,as Lewis had no ducting taped so are some people on here or at Mercedes trying to baffle us with bullshit ?
    I've been looking into it and the info that I have come from :

    a) Toto's post-race interview on Austrian TV (one of the last free-to-air broadcasters btw)
    b) Alexander Wurz's post-race analysis on ORF
    c) Nico's post race interview quoted in German Media
    d) Dieter Rencken's race recap on AMuS

    All sources say the same. The brake ducts were taped on both cars to react to the much cooler temperatures. On Nico's car it was too much and the brakes started overheating at random, one time at the front, another time at the rear. Direct quote from Toto: "He was basically driving a broken car". Since some of the air is also channelled towards the rims to help with building up tyre heat, the missing air also prevented Rosberg's tyres from reaching working temps. Another detail that Wurz added was, that frequent overheating causes the brake disks to glaze over, progressively reducing their effectivity.

    Basically Rosberg was in a vicious circle.

    Another detail added by Rencken is, that common opinion in the media centre was that Merc was caught out by overdoing it on the tyre pressure trick, as they and Red Bull are believed to be the two teams who are circumventing the tyre pressure limits by channelling hot or cool air (depending on what is needed) towards the rims.

    Lewis had the same problems, but to a much lesser extent (only tyre heat probs, none with the brakes) and according to his own interview he let the car slide deliberately to generate tyre heat.
    Last edited by dj_bytedisaster; 1st June 2016 at 09:36.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jens View Post
    When the rain came down in the final laps of the race, Rosberg was dog slow again and actually let Hülkenberg past him.
    Because he was on shot ultra-softs who cooled to zero due to the water. He was out-accelerated by Hulk. You can actually see Rosberg's car having a massive tank-slapper when he tried to accelerate,
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