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27th December 2015, 21:04 #131
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Maybe the problem isn't in their cost but at the way local ASN's are making regs reform.
Only in Argentina and Brasil MR were really promoted as the rally top class, but in Brasil's case that option was somehow undermined by XRC tech choices (it came with a heavy 3.6 V6 and are made by the company of the running champ, Mauricio Neves). Bolivia has an open proto class (Dytko protos are dominant but I believe an MR Fiesta was lately imported) and Peru rally scene seems a mixture of rally and cross country events, with no place for modern rally cars. Uruguay is still finding the way to replace N4, while Paraguay introduced FIA regs (R5/S2000) and Chile also uses FIA regs but emphases renovation into R2/R3 cars.
MR success depends on the ability of national turners build them locally. That's the best way to keep them cheap, as the Argentines has managed to prove.
MR Argentina action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6ODEv6PEk
Neves 207 XRC:
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27th December 2015, 22:24 #132
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22nd January 2016, 10:02 #133
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Teemu / Rallirinki @HartusvuoriWRC 43m43 minutes ago
FIA rallying director Jarmo Mahonen says in newspaper interview FIA will introduce an all-new 4WD kit car class in March. @ksmlfi
Teemu / Rallirinki @HartusvuoriWRC 42m42 minutes ago
New cars will be 4WD, 300hp, around €120 000, running costs half from R5s. It'll be a kit ready for "any car". They'll run already this year
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22nd January 2016, 15:46 #134
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Unless I've missed something earlier in this thread what is the point of this new category? 4WD and 300hp sounds similar to R5. So why, when clearly R5 is not about to be replaced, create something cheaper than R5 but at the same level?
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22nd January 2016, 20:28 #135
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I think it is what was mentioned in some other thread: the need of a 4wd class in between a 2wd class and R5. Going from a R2 or R3 direclty to a R5 can be a huge step, either from a sporting view or from a financial point of view.
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23rd January 2016, 13:23 #136
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I think this is something really good for National championships, a better car than a N4, you can get a car from anyone that not have a car ready.
Of course it will never be R5 speed, but its close and can do good in the right drivers, and builders, behind the steeringwheel.Radioreporter @ www.radiomotor.no
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4th May 2016, 16:45 #137
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Spanish N5’s cars (Maxi Rally) already on the road:
Suzuki Swift prepared by AR Vidal - https://youtu.be/TxQYMInLqKs
Peugeot 208 prepared by RMC - https://www.facebook.com/88504350818...type=2&theater
The 208 has done a sprint rally as 0 car and is expected to run in next gravel champ rally. The Swift will be doing more tests before entering tarmac series.Rally addict since 1982
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6th May 2016, 17:38 #138
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What are the tech data for the N5 Suzuki?
- Engine caracteristics
- 4 wd system
- suspension and undertray
- price
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10th May 2016, 00:34 #139
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N5 rules are based in Maxi Rally regs, keeping MR major features: rally purpose built bodies from wide range of makes/models, using control chassis kits, 4wd transmission with a 6 speed sequential gearbox (based on Subaru parts) and the new 1.6T engine from PSA (CDT block).
But N5 are also allowed to use a Mitsubishi Evo engine as an option (downsized to 1.6l) and the control parts kit is less restricted than MR’s. Authorized local tuners can choose from a wider range of components, as only sub frame chassis, suspension arms and mountings, half-axles, gearbox housing and the turbo came from Baratec kit (PK parts).
After the Porsche restrictor mess, RFEA (local ASN) revised N5’s restrictor size. They’ll use 34mm (instead of the original 32), keeping 2.5 bar and 1230kg. The list of authorized Spanish tuners wasn’t yet published. For now, RMC and ARVidal are the only ones and N5 price still’s a secret (has been rumored to be around €150.000).
N5 regs link: https://www.rfeda.es/documents/20185...b-73fb1e04a99c
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10th May 2016, 01:51 #140
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Sounds somewhat similar to the AP4 regulations. Maybe the FIA will eventually take notice of these things and it could become recognised worldwide... Mind you I am sure there would be an FIA approval tax which would make them as expensive as R5 then!
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