Rally Argentina 2015

[N.O.T]

And the whole New-Zealand is remote place ;-)

that explains a lot...

[janvanvurpa]

If every driver stopped when they saw a car on the side of road without an ok sign then there would be no rallies...

Its a marshals job to indicate if the rally needs to be halted when they are close to the incident. The ok sign is used when the accident happens in remote locations.

Actually that's NOT correct...If you were actually knowledgable about rally instead of being a frustrated angy armchair wannabe---but never will be anything----you would know in many places it is a long long long term RULE requiring a car arriving on the scene of a stopped car on a SS to stop if there is no OK sign clearly displayed...

NOT saying that crews follow the other rule which REQUIRES a car that is stopped and doesn't need medical assistance to display the OK sign---and triangles----- but its pretty clear, you don't see an OK sign you stop and assess the need for--or NOT---medical assistance...

IF you knew anything---again you do NOT---you know that there are often miles of SS where there are very very few marshals, and evn less in direct radio communication with Rally HQ..
Simple logic and experience of doing 1 rally would bring the realisation that the FIRST line of defense is the immediately following car/crew....not some marshal somewhere with no means to communicate with the FOLLOWING car...


But you're NOT a rally guy, you've NOT done any rallys, you are merely a frustrated lab-rat in a basement and full of well justified self hate......

Have you considered maybe gracing someplace where just arguing and insulting the entire world is the whole point of the forum?
Shirley you would be happier where reality isn't a factor, just whatever you want to make up and scream about how stupid everybody is till your hearts content..

Try it.....

[AL14]

I don't know if it is a written rule, I don't think so actually, but I could be wrong. In any case I find weird that Evans had to stop with hundreds of people and several marshalls there to help.

[Mk2 RS2000]

And the whole New-Zealand is remote place ;-)

And your point is ?

[Mk2 RS2000]

Extracted from the 2015 FIA World Rally Championship Sporting Regulations

40. COMPETITOR SAFETY
40.1 EQUIPMENT OF THE CREWS
Whenever a car is in motion on a special stage, the crew must wear homologated crash helmets, all required safety clothing and equipment in compliance with Appendix L Chapter III - Drivers’ Equipment as intended by the equipment manufacturer and have their safety belts fastened. Any infringement will be penalised by the clerk of the course who may also refer the matter to the Stewards.

40.2 SOS/OK SIGNS
40.2.1 Each competing car shall carry a red “SOS” sign and on the reverse a green “OK” sign measuring at least 42 cm x 29.7 cm (A3).
40.2.2 In the case of an accident where urgent medical attention is required, when possible the red “SOS” sign should be immediately displayed to the following cars and to any helicopter attempting to assist.
40.2.3 Any crew which has the red “SOS” sign displayed to them, or which sees a car which has suffered a major accident where both crew members are seen inside the car but are not displaying the red “SOS” sign, shall immediately and without exception stop to render assistance. All following cars shall also stop. The second car at the scene shall proceed to inform the next radio point. Subsequent cars shall leave a clear route for emergency vehicles.
40.2.4 In the case of an accident where immediate medical intervention is not required, the “OK” sign must be clearly shown by a crew member to the following vehicles and to any helicopter attempting to assist.
40.2.5 If the crew leaves the vehicle, the “OK” sign must be displayed so that it is clearly visible to other competitors.
40.2.6 Any crew which is able but fails to comply with the above rules will be reported to the clerk of the course.
40.2.7 The road book shall contain a page giving the accident procedure.
40.2.8 Any crew retiring from a rally must report such final retirement to the organisers as soon as possible, save in a case of force majeure. Any crew failing to comply will be subject to a penalty at the Stewards’ discretion.
40.3 ACCIDENT REPORTING
If a crew is involved in an accident in which a member of the public sustains physical injury, the procedure as laid down in Art. 40.2.3 must be followed.
40.4 RED TRIANGLE
40.4.1 Each competing car must carry a red reflective triangle which, in the event of the car stopping in a special stage, must be placed in a conspicuous position by a member of the crew at least 50 metres before the car’s position, in order to warn following drivers. Any crew failing to comply may be subject to a penalty at the discretion of the Stewards.
40.4.2 This triangle must be placed even if the stopped car is off the road.
40.5 YELLOW FLAGS
40.5.1 Electronic yellow flags
a) Yellow flag lights will be used in all competing cars. When the electronic Yellow Flag is activated from rally control, the Yellow Flag LED light situated on the FIA Emergency Console will flash and a continuous alarm will ring in the cockpit. Crews must confirm acknowledgement of the electronic Yellow Flag by pressing the OK button as soon as they see it and must immediately reduce speed.
b) The FIA-approved Yellow Flag LED system to be used will be provided by SIT only.
c) The Yellow Flag LED must be visible by both crew members.
40.5.2 Yellow flags at radio points
The yellow flag will be displayed to crews only on the instruction of the clerk of the course. The flags may only be displayed at radio points marked in the road book and by a marshal wearing a distinctive jacket of the colour stipulated in Appendix H and on which is marked the radio point symbol. Flags will be displayed
40.5.3 Meanings of a yellow flag
On passing a displayed yellow flag and/or acknowledging an electronic yellow flag, whichever happens first, the driver must immediately reduce speed, maintain this reduced speed until the end of the special stage, and follow the instructions of any marshals or intervention car drivers. Failure to comply with this rule will entail a penalty at the discretion of the Stewards.
40.5.4 A crew which has been shown the yellow flag will be given a notional time for the stage, as in Art. 39.
40.5.5 If different signalling systems (e.g. flashing lights) are used in super special stages, full details must be included in the supplementary regulations.
40.5.6 If a stage is interrupted or stopped and the crews are required to pass through the special stage, a yellow flag must be displayed at the start to inform the drivers how they must proceed.
40.5.7 Yellow flag points during reconnaissance
During reconnaissance, a sign bearing the radio post symbol must be displayed at the location of each radio point. This sign may be smaller than that used in the rally but must be clearly visible to crews performing reconnaissance in order that the locations may be noted.

[bluuford]

And your point is ?

My point is that there are not too many people and not too many spectators around as well As far as I have seen from the videos). Argentina in the other had, has high population denisty and there are so many spectators and officials that nearly every bush has some people behind it. And maybe there was OK sign at the back of Paddon car? Paddon was outside the car already and it was probably visible..

[N.O.T]

Extracted from the 2015 FIA World Rally Championship Sporting Regulations

40. COMPETITOR SAFETY
Blah blah blah .

maybe i missed it but does it say what must happen if the crew of the incoming car doesn't see any SOS or OK sign ? because that is what happened here...

[AL14]

maybe i missed it but does it say what must happen if the crew of the incoming car doesn't see any SOS or OK sign ? because that is what happened here...

40.2.3 Any crew which has the red “SOS” sign displayed to them, or which sees a car which has suffered a major accident where both crew members are seen inside the car but are not displaying the red “SOS” sign, shall immediately and without exception stop to render assistance.

[Rallyper]

40.2.3 Any crew which has the red “SOS” sign displayed to them, or which sees a car which has suffered a major accident where both crew members are seen inside the car but are not displaying the red “SOS” sign, shall immediately and without exception stop to render assistance.

But I believe this wasn´t the case for Tanak (or Evans) coming to the sight. So maybe it wasn´t anything wrong just passing by?

[moto99]

And maybe there was OK sign at the back of Paddon car? Paddon was outside the car already and it was probably visible..

I've heard one of the injured spectators put his hand in the air and showed Tanak OK signs with his hand...

Would you put OK sign on the car that crashed into spectators?
Paddon was hidden in the crowd and car was on its side so you couldn't tell if somebody was inside.