Young talented drivers

[N.O.T]

Well, some people forget that no other factory team had direct support by manufacturers. I don't want to take anything away from Prodrive and other middle man, but they simply have no chance against Citroen army of engineers.
Although I have no hard proof, I believe no other team except Citroen have invested so much money for WRC development.
That's why I will never accept Loeb as "best of the best". He just purchased his titles with huge support no one else had.

which one of your legends did he ridicule and made him run away ??

Why Mcrae and Sainz and duval and sordo and Ogier did not manag what Loeb did with the citroen ?? Loeb came into the team when Mcrae was 34.... Loeb won titles until 38...

dogs of nothingness roaming the garbage cans have nothing on the greatest ever...

[Rallyper]

didn't you notice he achieved a great Rally Liepaja ?
For sure he is a good hope. Now let's see him on full JERC champ, in order to see what he can do on tarmac, and classic gravel events. But for sure, one the guys to follow.

Yes of course I know what he did in Liepaja. And the week before he became Swedish RallySprint Champion in 2WD in an old Astra National Class car.

[Rallyper]

which one of your legends did he ridicule and made him run away ??

Why Mcrae and Sainz and duval and sordo and Ogier did not manag what Loeb did with the citroen ?? Loeb came into the team when Mcrae was 34.... Loeb won titles until 38...

dogs of nothingness roaming the garbage cans have nothing on the greatest ever...

Let go of your sweettalk of legends thar where..

Lets help each other try to talk about young talents as someone mentioned above.

[PLuto]

Yes of course I know what he did in Liepaja. And the week before he became Swedish RallySprint Champion in 2WD in an old Astra National Class car.

Emil was doing great job in Liepaja, same like other northern drivers like Rokland, Sirmacis or Adielsson. It was really nice fight. But this was on snow and big studs. We will see how it will be on different surfaces - gravel and mainly tarmac.

[Rallyper]

I guess tarmac was main surfacein Germany when he became Adam Cup champion.

[PLuto]

I guess tarmac was main surfacein Germany when he became Adam Cup champion.

For sure. But level of competition in JERC is quite higher than in Adam Cup...

[sollitt]

The difference between Loeb and the afformentioned sick dogs is that Loeb was man enough to make full use of the support he was getting ...

This is correct.

Winner doesn't necessary mean best driver.

This is not.


What NOT does not explain or acknowledge is how Loeb transitioned from talented young driver (of which there are very many) to be 'man enough to make full use of the support'. And this is exactly what I was explaining in an earlier post.

Some of you have misconstrued comments regarding Loeb's early career, which were not about his Citroen days (WRC & S1600) but about his privateer pre Citroen career, which was not at all spectacular.

Loeb though stood out among his compatriots at a time when his wealthy and influential ASR, in collaboration with the government owned manufacturer, were looking to atone for there having been no French champion for 10 years and only one in the history of the sport. This despite this manufacturer having invested larger than any other.
From the minute Loeb was adopted by Frequelin, his career was set. From that moment on he was able to drive the car to the best of his ability without concern for the costs or fear of the consequence of failure.

It is not difficult to understand the advantages, in learning and confidence building, that support provides over other competitors who are required to consider budget limitations, amongst other expectations and which will undoubtedly influence the way they drive the rally car.

Fast forward to Ogier's beginnings. In a period in which it is variously rumoured that only a handful of drivers (perhaps 2 or 3) are paid, or have any tenure of contract, and in which everybody pays personally or by limited sponsorship arrangements, it is equally not difficult to understand the advantages a few enjoy today.

[N.O.T]

you still did not answer who had a better early career than Loeb...

[satukata]

Young Finnish talents first time driving 4X cars tomorrow. Finland rally championship in Mikkeli
Teemu Suninen Skoda s2000(toni gardemaisters car)
Henri Haapamäki Subaru Impreza WRX Sti
Fastest driver expected Juha Salo and new 208 T16 first time in rally

SS1 LIVE lint. Start time 20.2.2015 17.00 CET https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxAimEdIZrM

[Rallyper]

For sure. But level of competition in JERC is quite higher than in Adam Cup...

I was pointing to the possibiltiy of Emil having done some tarmac rallying before (Adam cup). Not to talk about his gravel experience, which is very good. (Doing Volvo original cup in Sweden)

Even without competition, if that´s the case, you still earn a lot of experience.