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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Yes. And?
    I meant to add 4x driver runner up spot too :-)

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    I don't mind if Hirvonen drivers for fun in a private car, in fact good for everybody. But in factory team (as much as M-Sport are), this is little too much for me as I like to see some serious contenders in those teams. I know VW are light years ahead at the moment, but still some younger drivers can bring some more excitement than just "cruising" to finish and gather the points which VW drivers (occasionally), Neuville & Meeke leave for grant.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    Man, I appreciate that you are protecting like crazy one of your heroes but Hirvonen just doesn't have it anymore. I was also really hoping that he would find that something extra again this season with Ford and be quick but he hasn't.
    Take Rally Sweden for example, Tänak comes back after missing out basically 1.5 years and is faster than him. After the first day Wilson told Tänak to slow down because Tänak isn't competing in championship. And compared to Mikko, Ott has basically zero experience.
    In Finland he was just nowhere, i mean FINLAND, the rally where he should be very fast. On tarmac Elfyn is kicking his ass except Spain but this one rally doesn't make him the best driver after VW guys.
    Yeah he is 4th in the standings but so what? You think that satisfies him or Mr.Wilson? He is just very stable but on pure speed he isn't the 4th fastest guy this season.
    Not protecting. Just finding out that there are no other drivers having his qualities. But - on the other hand sooner or later one has to give place for runner ups, of course. So you point out the guy who´s currently a replacer of Mikko.
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
    Tommi Mäkinen, back in the years...

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    I hope that he will have a drive in the future as the only statistics in which he can overtake master Loeb is in WRC starts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Not protecting. Just finding out that there are no other drivers having his qualities. But - on the other hand sooner or later one has to give place for runner ups, of course. So you point out the guy who´s currently a replacer of Mikko.
    Tänak
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    VW are light years ahead at the moment
    Yes, they are. They're alone in the "decently funded" category. Fact is the same situation has not happened before, even in 2003+ years and there has always been more than 2 capable contenders.

    About Hirvonen, there is nothing new to see drivers 'cruising' in the WRC after the peak of their career.
    Sainz was probably the best at it.

    4th in the WRC standings is one heck of a good and respectable performance by Hirvonen and MSport.
    Hirvonen staying in the WRC is no harm done to the sport, a lesson in consistency and finishing a rally and good to E.Evans.
    Markku Alén, 1978 World Champion

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    Hirovnen had enough of the WRC and WRC had enough of him... bye bye...

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Hirovnen had enough of the WRC and WRC had enough of him... bye bye...
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Hirovnen had enough of the WRC and WRC had enough of him... bye bye...
    Lol. That's utter drivel and you know it!

    Anyone who pays can stay. He's still good to watch, has some pace, and has always been a pleasant chap.

    May be the change in rubber will help him? Seemed to make some difference in Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Hirovnen had enough of the WRC and WRC had enough of him... bye bye...
    If he goes, there will be more "ladyboys" in Top10
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