Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
Please accept my apologies.

I must confess, it's been a while since I checked this and quite frankly, I find the stats for Australia disgraceful:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf
Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms - 11,068
- CDC Tables 2011

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@....3?OpenDocument
Murder (firearms) - 41
- ABS Tables 2011

US Homicide rate/100,000 people = 3.48503
AU Homicide rate/100,000 people = 0.17826

This actually works out to be only 19 times safer. We have a serious problem in our country.


Quite a comical attempt, ignoring the question at hand. Even then your numbers were obviously exaggerated. My point discussed crime with legally owned guns vs crime with illegally owned guns.

But then again, you were aware of that. And you're probably also aware that violent crime in the US has been trending down for years.... guns and all. During that time the "safe" Aussies have seen increases in many violent crimes. But I'm sure that increase and greater per capita chances of being assaulted or raped makes people feel better because they aren't allowed to have a gun to protect themselves from it. But since the murder rate by firearms was trending down in Australia before the gun ban, you somehow justify to yourself how it helped.

Again, a matter of the whole perspective vs select statistics.