Whats going to Happen at Mercedes

[airshifter]

So , the stewards didn't see evil .
Then Merc said he didn't take Lewis out deliberately .
Then , even Lewis said they both made mistakes .

And , Nico is still an evil cheater who's likely to do more evil by the end of the year ?

Jeez , you guys .
Just string him up and be done with it .

Come to your senses Bagwan. Pick a side, declare the other side intentional and extreme evil and roll with that angle at all costs. Claim that anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong, point fingers, scream and shout, and jump up and down. Create a silly and childish name such as Nico the Cheater or Lewis the Loser and put it in a post or ten, using it over and over to try to make a point.

If you are capable, embellish your view even more by stating that admitting responsibility for the accident is also admitting deliberate contact or even attempted murder. Death by Mercedes F1 as some would claim, was the ultimate goal.


Or do as you have done and make your own decision on the matter. That's what I've done too, as I can't even convince myself to be part of the drama.

None of the articles or quotes have changed my opinion on anything, nor do I think they have proven anything other than the fact that Nico admits having some fault in the matter. The other driver that didn't give an inch either still seems to take the attitude of no fault, which I personally don't believe for a second. Nor did the stewards obviously.

At the end of it all we have two drivers racing each other very hard for the title, and they will probably continue to do so. But it appears now that if they destroy a car or two, Mercedes will slap them on the wrist. And personally I'm glad that Mercedes is letting them race so hard. I want this battle on track to continue.


Having said that, from the start I felt Lewis would win on track. Though he has had some car failures that gave Nico an edge, overall he is still ahead on track IMO, but at this point might need some luck to win the title. But my respect for Nico is growing, even after I admitted to under rating him in the past. He is managing to get in Lewis's head, and that is where Lewis often fails himself. I honestly feel at this point Lewis is a capable enough driver to still overcome the points deficit and win the title, but if and only if, he can get his head straight. If he keeps up the whining and pointing fingers, Nico is going to continue to beat him down and Lewis may well fall to the point where Ricciardo has a shot at the number 2 spot in the WDC.




And once again for the record, I respect the opinion of Doc Austin and a couple others that thought/think the contact was deliberate, even though I don't agree myself. I respect those opinions because they appear to be made without bias to either side and they looked at the incident, not the drivers, in making their decisions.

Those that have blindly defended Lewis over and over have, as usual IMO, simply blindly defended him once again. And if Lewis doesn't get his act together and clear his head, they will be chanting "Cheater Nico, Cheater Nico!" when Nico is crowned the WDC.

[henners88]

To be fair I can't remember a time when Bagwan hasn't sided against Hamilton on any incident. There have been many over the years too. He has made out both are to blame in this latest incident but the emphasis was put on Lewis with the support going to Nico for making a point. That is no different to some of the more biased Hamilton fans here claiming Nico is a cheat IMO. We are all biased to a degree and Bagwan is no different.

I put 100% blame on Nico but stated I felt it was a misjudgment rather than deliberate action. None of this is going to re-pay Lewis with points which is what he needs.

[journeyman racer]

Hamiltonites have shown no tact. Spoilt the threads. Bagwan may be biased against Hamilton. But it's not as draining as reading TBK and (not really a) truefan posts. It is quite a lot different.

[Bagwan]

To be fair I can't remember a time when Bagwan hasn't sided against Hamilton on any incident. There have been many over the years too. He has made out both are to blame in this latest incident but the emphasis was put on Lewis with the support going to Nico for making a point. That is no different to some of the more biased Hamilton fans here claiming Nico is a cheat IMO. We are all biased to a degree and Bagwan is no different.

I put 100% blame on Nico but stated I felt it was a misjudgment rather than deliberate action. None of this is going to re-pay Lewis with points which is what he needs.

I try my hardest to look objectively at every situation .
Maybe I fail sometimes , henners , but I do try .

I arrived at this particular discussion , having seen the moment , heard the commentators , read a few articles , and then the comments here , and almost all and sundry were down on Nico .
I had almost dismissed it by the end of the race as something they'd have hard words about in the motorhome , and the stewards agreed , with no formal investigation seen as warranted .

So , as usual , the devil's advocate in me , took over .

That's where I often seem to sit in the Hamilton saga .
My emphasis on Lewis here is just that , my friend , as it often is .
My support for Nico's point , is a counter-point , as is a lot of my posting when Lewis is involved .
Both played their part in this .


I don't think Nico feels any real remorse here , though he did apologize .
I'd be interested to know if that was the only punishment . I saw one article that intimated that there was a six figure fine involved , but have seen no corroboration of that .

The fact that both came out to make speeches says that there is a greater understanding between the two , but both are just as hungry .


It's just a wee touch ironic , though , that you say I am siding with Nico , when I am advocating not pointing fingers , which is exactly what Lewis says I should be doing .

[Bagwan]

Hamiltonites have shown no tact. Spoilt the threads. Bagwan may be biased against Hamilton. But it's not as draining as reading TBK and (not really a) truefan posts. It is quite a lot different.

That's just nasty , dude .
And , not true .

I thank you for the compliment , as not being "draining" is quite an accolade , but go easy on those mass generalizations , at least when using my name as an example .

This thread isn't spoiled . it's just fine .

I appreciate being defended , but if we throw rocks , we can expect others throw rocks too .


Debate , dude .

[The Black Knight]

Hamiltonites have shown no tact. Spoilt the threads. Bagwan may be biased against Hamilton. But it's not as draining as reading TBK and (not really a) truefan posts. It is quite a lot different.

It can be draining alright when you're trying to defend something that was undefendable and deliberate. Actually, if you look back at my posts over the years, I try and stay neutral enough and have no problem putting my hand up when Hamilton makes a mistake but after Monaco this year, along with some of the absurd arguments in this thread from people whom try and make out that they are level headed when trying to defend a blatantly obvious move by one opponent to take out the other, I decided to take the gloves off.

As for Bagwan, I stopped paying attention to his posts years ago. I've really no interest in reading a post of a user that comes along and intentionally tries to offer a different slant on opinion just for the sake of trying to be different, opposed to actually taking the facts at hand and rolling with them.

[airshifter]

To be fair I can't remember a time when Bagwan hasn't sided against Hamilton on any incident. There have been many over the years too. He has made out both are to blame in this latest incident but the emphasis was put on Lewis with the support going to Nico for making a point. That is no different to some of the more biased Hamilton fans here claiming Nico is a cheat IMO. We are all biased to a degree and Bagwan is no different.

I put 100% blame on Nico but stated I felt it was a misjudgment rather than deliberate action. None of this is going to re-pay Lewis with points which is what he needs.

I've never noticed anything I consider bias towards or against Hamilton from Bagwan myself, but I do think he is quicker to admit faults in all drivers when he sees them. I relate to this as well, and in similar fashion play devil's advocate at times. And really to me in this instance, there is nothing but a fine line between what you found and what Bagwan found, and both of your opinions are quite distanced from the view that it was deliberate and using the car as a weapon. Just my observation....

Hamiltonites have shown no tact. Spoilt the threads. Bagwan may be biased against Hamilton. But it's not as draining as reading TBK and (not really a) truefan posts. It is quite a lot different.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees a large difference in this case.

But I will differ in that from my point of view, no thread is spoiled by opposing opinions. It's most often when people act with great bias (either in defense of or to attack a specific driver) that things really get derailed. Most of the time those heated instances as created IMO by the radical opposites, with the defenders and attackers trading blows, when much of the forum probably thinks both are embellishing and creating drama where it shouldn't exist.



In the long run, a trend of a poster being one of those defenders or attackers isn't worth any of my time, unless I decide to take a moment to put them on my ignore list. Thankfully, that includes very few people.

[henners88]

I offer my apologies to Bagwan if I have offended him, it has just been my observation over the years that he is far from Hamilton's biggest fan and rarely gives opposing drivers the blame if Lewis is involved. It's not to say Hamilton is blameless in every incident because he hasn't been, but when I've been part of discussions we learn over time where each other's loyalties lie on the grid.

I don't think threads have been ruined when discussing this last race. If we all had the same opinions it would be rather boring. We just can't help getting frustrated when we feel points are dismissed and drivers who should really be getting a but of sympathy end up coming out as the bad guy because of our likes or dislikes.

I know I could do with a break from F1 discussion for a while and it's reminded me why this place used to get so infuriating in the past. No point falling out over silly debates with people we've never met or likely to meet.

[journeyman racer]

That's just nasty , dude .
And , not true .

I thank you for the compliment , as not being "draining" is quite an accolade , but go easy on those mass generalizations , at least when using my name as an example .

This thread isn't spoiled . it's just fine .

I appreciate being defended , but if we throw rocks , we can expect others throw rocks too .


Debate , dude .

Alright then. You waffle on too much, and are biased against Hamilton.

It can be draining alright when you're trying to defend something that was undefendable...

You should try reading it...









Hehehe...

[Doc Austin]

The bickering here is worse than at Mercedes!