Quote Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow View Post
So why is it that the homicide rate in London is around 2.5 per 100,000 per year and is significantly lower than most large US cities?

Chicago - 15.2
LA - 7.8
NYC - 4.0
Houston 16.3
If you correlate gun ownership and rights to murder rates, don't cherry pick examples and you'll find a much clearer picture. I live in a city approaching 500,00 that has a murder rate as low as London. It dropped, as did violent crime statewide, when concealed carry permits became legal in the state.

If you look at US cites as a whole, the most violent have a combination of strict gun laws, higher rates of gang activity, and a stretched or otherwise ineffective police department. And if you look at statistics virtually anywhere in the US, the vast majority of gun crime takes place at the hands of those not legal gun owners.




Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
I would suggest that the majority of people do own guns can't be trusted. I think that virtually every metric on the subject also proves this to be true.
Furthermore, the Second Amendment even says as much:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state
If people could be trusted, why would they need to be "well regulated"?

Yes, I will suggest that 38,475,000 of those who do own guns can't be trusted and they can not be trusted to the tune of billions a year. The United States collectively pays for it with wasted GDP on increased health care costs and associated on-costs relating to crime as well.

I will make large large sweeping statements and use hyperbolae. I happen to live in a society which is statistically thirty-five to fifty times safer than the United States precisely because people for the most part are not trusted to own guns.
If there is a capability to abuse something, it is very easy to show that it will be abused and that goes right across the board for a whole host of issues, not just gun ownership.

If you look at the reality of statistics rather than a large stretch, you will find that somewhere in the neighborhood of 99+ percent of gun violence in the US involved illegally owned guns and/or owners prohibited from having them. Twisting facts won't help your case any, and I call BS on your statement.

Link please!


As for the later sweeping statement, laughable. Quite a few areas of crime in your country are as high as the US.