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    Wow Perez? Noooooo!!!!!!!

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    Racing Point going from securing a strong p3 position in WCC to now a serious fight with 2 races to go. Disaster

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    What a race of mixed fortunes. I hope Grosjeans is ok enough to race next weekend. What a spectacularly horrific crash? How he got out of that mangled monocoque unscathed is baffling. Hats off to the FIA and the safety measures that they have put in place. All of it were properly tested and they all came out in flying colours. The Halo is the star of the show as it saved Grosjean's life and protected Stroll in the flipped Racing Point car.

    While Hamilton and Verstapenn were exemplary as usual. Perez was particularly exceptional as he singlehandedly carried the hopes of Racing Point until that unfortunate engine failure. It is strange to see a Mercedes engine fail in a race nowadays. The pressure mounts in the shuffling fight for 3rd in the constructors championship. A super drive from both Mclaren drivers to elevate Mclaren to the 3rd spot.

    The fight for the 4th spot in the drivers championship is as close as ever.

    A great race for Albon to finish on the podium with his teammate for the first time. He is still miles away from Verstapenn on pace, but this podium would do wonders for his confidence. Another bad race race weekend for Bottas. This time a poor start off the grid that saw him drift backwards to fourth. Then bad luck set in to send him to the rear of the grid. With 12 point between him and Verstapenn, the next two races has now become very crucial to be error free and top drawer performances.

    I smiled when Gasly finished 6th. What a hard but excellent drive on the longest stint on hard tyres.
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    [QUOTE=Nitrodaze;1256924The Halo is the star of the show as it saved Grosjean's life and protected Stroll in the flipped Racing Point car.
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    well, yes and no.

    it definately protected grosjean when he was going through the guardrail, but we have seen how difficult it was for stroll to get out of the car when he was upside down. If grosjean would have ended up upside down, he would have burned to death because he would not have been able to get out of the car on time.

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    I'm hating the Halo a little less today.

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    Romain Grosjean can speak of a miracle because he survived a near-fatal accident at the Bahrain GP, despite being hit by a barrier and stuck in a burning car. Many things worked well. However, one can have some reservations - even about the barriers at the scene.

    The reason for this was a simple racing incident. The fact that the Daniil Kwiat took part in it is of no importance here. It was definitely not his fault and it is equally difficult to blame Grosjean himself for it. As a result of a seemingly minor contact, the Frenchman's car was "knocked out" from the direction on a similar basis as an F1 car would have reacted to aquaplaning, for example.

    The driver can do absolutely nothing at this stage, he is just a passenger. The accident itself and the impact took place at a lower speed than Kubica's accident in Canada, but also not very fast. The force, due to the almost perfectly perpendicular impact angle, was so great that the cockpit of the car broke through the barrier. The energy of the impact and a large amount of fuel (the beginning of the race) caused the explosion and fire.

    And here a few observations can be made. Both positive and negative. First of all, an incredibly high level of passive safety. The rigidity of the cockpit, resistance to impact, the ability to absorb incredible overloads - this is a truly cosmic technology that works and saves lives. Please remember how much controversy there was about the introduction of the Halo system, and yet here (not for the first time anyway) it fulfilled its role.

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    It also shows the dagner of having barriers with angles on the end, like this one.
    But I am sure the secutrity people from FIA will take this with the track owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogberry View Post
    Romain Grosjean can speak of a miracle because he survived a near-fatal accident at the Bahrain GP, despite being hit by a barrier and stuck in a burning car. Many things worked well. However, one can have some reservations - even about the barriers at the scene.

    The reason for this was a simple racing incident. The fact that the Daniil Kwiat took part in it is of no importance here. It was definitely not his fault and it is equally difficult to blame Grosjean himself for it. As a result of a seemingly minor contact, the Frenchman's car was "knocked out" from the direction on a similar basis as an F1 car would have reacted to aquaplaning, for example.

    The driver can do absolutely nothing at this stage, he is just a passenger. The accident itself and the impact took place at a lower speed than Kubica's accident in Canada, but also not very fast. The force, due to the almost perfectly perpendicular impact angle, was so great that the cockpit of the car broke through the barrier. The energy of the impact and a large amount of fuel (the beginning of the race) caused the explosion and fire.

    And here a few observations can be made. Both positive and negative. First of all, an incredibly high level of passive safety. The rigidity of the cockpit, resistance to impact, the ability to absorb incredible overloads - this is a truly cosmic technology that works and saves lives. Please remember how much controversy there was about the introduction of the Halo system, and yet here (not for the first time anyway) it fulfilled its role.
    I agree. Safety on the car is now ahead of safety at the track. Fatalities in motorsport are mostly due to unsafe elements at the track. I think this incident has invited the FIA to look more closely at safety at the race track. Amco barriers work safely well along straights, but this accident has shown it useless as a barrier where there is run off to the barrier. I would favor tyre barriers over Amco barriers in this circumstances really . Tyres would absorb the impact of the trajectory much better and safer l think.

    The safety elements of the car saved Grosjeans from the unsafe element of the barrier. The survival capsule of the monocoque, the Halo, the high shoulders of the pilot cavity of the Chassis and the seat belt etc. Now the FIA need to review the placement of Amco barriers at various points of race tracks to ensure the charactertics of Grosjean's accident do not re-occur in the future. Chances are a reoccurence of this sort of accident may result in a fatality. If Grosjean had been knocked out by the impact, a worst case of the Lauda moment could have occured with Grosjean burnt very badly in the survival capsule.

    It is also a concern to see the chassis of the Haas split into two as it did after the impact. It is that split that exposed and ruptured the fuel sacks and consequentially resulted in the explosive fireball that engulfed the scene of the accident. This incident have also exposed a weakness in the design of the chassis. It may well be particular to the design of the Haas chassis. But nonetheless, l suspect they would all be reviewed to better understand the nature of the weakness in the chassis that allowed the car to split in half as it did.
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    The car splitting in two is no mayor issue, the connection between the engine and the monocoque is not so strong anyway. That should not expose the fuel tank, because that is an integral part of the safety cell.

    I think the barrier has punctured the fuel tank through the carbon or kevlar protection. That shouldn't happen, but i'm not sure its possible to avoid it in all cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    The car splitting in two is no mayor issue, the connection between the engine and the monocoque is not so strong anyway. That should not expose the fuel tank, because that is an integral part of the safety cell.

    I think the barrier has punctured the fuel tank through the carbon or kevlar protection. That shouldn't happen, but i'm not sure its possible to avoid it in all cases.
    I think the chassis splitting ought to be imnvestiigated. Since Albon had a similar crash on friday but the Redbull car retained its longitudinal structure. The speed at which Grosjean's car crashed was quite similar to Albon's case. The main difference was that Albon bounced off tyre barriers and Grosjean pierced into Amco barriers.
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