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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Gerard also said:



    https://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn/s...58300320587782

    How could the WRC change this with their own decisions? How should/could they convince manufacturers still investing money in WRC?

    a) that's his opinion and he may not be correct.
    b) your second question is the million dollar question. Who knows.. hybrid / full electric.

    I find it interesting that he thinks manufacturers no longer require excitement to be built around a brand. If so, then why do other motorsport disciplines seemingly desire manufacturer involvement. And if the WRC was no longer a sport that needed manufacturer inclusion, then what?... would anyone bother building cars still? Got to be honest, his tweet has confused my thinking even further.

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    Relax guys, if Hyundai really decide to pull out, the Rally1 Hybrid rules will simply die. In 2018 the FIA has established a minimum of 3 manus to turn WRX Supercars class into a full electric category; with only 2 available there was no rules change. They won’t do differently in WRC case.

    Besides, once Mr. Wilson is in favor of a Super Rally2 solution, why would he sign for Rally1 Hybrids and face alone the all mighty Toyota Gazoo team?

    Yep, Matton seems to be a stubborn fellow, but on this one he’ll have to come with a B plan, sooner or later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    There's no reason for Toyota to be happy if Hyundai leaves. A title is only as valuable as the competition fighting for it.
    They are in serious competition to be the top-selling brand and pretty much hate each other.

    Being able to boast being WRC Champions on their ads is what matters. Not giving Toyota an 'open goal' is the best chance we have of Hyundai staying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Relax guys, if Hyundai really decide to pull out, the Rally1 Hybrid rules will simply die. In 2018 the FIA has established a minimum of 3 manus to turn WRX Supercars class into a full electric category; with only 2 available there was no rules change. They won’t do differently in WRC case.

    Besides, once Mr. Wilson is in favor of a Super Rally2 solution, why would he sign for Rally1 Hybrids and face alone the all mighty Toyota Gazoo team?

    Yep, Matton seems to be a stubborn fellow, but on this one he’ll have to come with a B plan, sooner or later.
    Is this 'three Manus required rule' a fact for WRC ?

    And what if Toyota & Ford M-Sport wont continue without going hybrid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom K View Post
    It is true. But in WEC/Le Mans they don't seem to mind to much
    That's a different situation; WEC’s high tech Hybrid rules were endorsed by 5 manus, back in 2014. Through the years only Toyota was left, as they were desperate to finally get their Le Mans win; after it they were the first to sign for LM new rules and are already testing their 2021 Hypercar.

    On Gerard Quinn it’s not hard to imagine, once he was always close to MSport, that he may be pointing to Rally2 mild Hybrids as the way to go.

    Btw, can we say that it’s just a coincidence having both news, Rally2 Hybrids launch in 2023 and Hyundai asking for the new WRC rules delay, almost at the same time?
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    It was kind of said here before but I still write it with my own words:

    WRX (World Rallycross Championship) did cancel their decision for moving to fully electronic cars

    Reason: Manufacturers were not interested and privateers did say that it´s too expensive.

    Maybe this has nothing to do with WRC or maybe it has. Let´s wait and see.
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    Guys, as we discussed already in the past. It's unfortunately a fact that the society is changing and that the marketing value of motorsport will reasonably decrease in the future due to the very simple fact that promoting green energies via motorsport simply can not work becuase of the very principle that ecology and motorsport are oxymorons. Most of the petrolheads who create largest part of the motorsport audience refuse green energies, especially electricity and the people who buy electric cars largely ignore or outright refuse motorsport as a whole.

    I would not put that much weight to the public talk, be it from manufacturers or FIA because in my opinion behind the curtain there are serious discussions of the carmaker managing boards how to replace the motorsport in their future marketing activities. In that case they can use whatever excuse comes to their hand to quit at any time. Not saying that FIA is not part of the problem, of course.

    IMHO FIA shall ASAP start to addapt the rules to be friendliest possible for the privateers because those will most likely stay while the future with the manufacturers it's at least uncertain.
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    Rally2 cars with 'Mild' hybrid only starting in 2023 will be so far behind the times I dont see the point for Manufacturers. How can they claim this proves their technology when it will have already been in road cars for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Rally2 cars with 'Mild' hybrid only starting in 2023 will be so far behind the times I dont see the point for Manufacturers. How can they claim this proves their technology when it will have already been in road cars for years.
    Rally2 cars are for privatters. They must be as affordable as possible. Hybridization will only make them much harder to operate for the privateers and more expensive. IMHO everybody involved knows that it's nonsense but FIA needs to do something for political reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post

    IMHO FIA shall ASAP start to adapt the rules to be friendliest possible for the privateers because those will most likely stay while the future with the manufacturers it's at least uncertain.
    Without Manufacturers there are no cars for the privateers. Unless rallying is just going to be for 'historics' in future.

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