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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono View Post
    So Maxi Rally in general is faster than R4-kit..??

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    Yes the MR is faster in general. The R4 cars have a better chassis with a better suspension geometry and a transverse engine, but the MR with a more powerful engine makes the difference. In very twisted sectors cars should match.

    The key is that the MR cars with the latest ECU settings are getting 310-320 HP, while the R4 have a 265 HP engine. There is a long time discussion about that between the teams.
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    Martín Scuncio gives Hyundai the first victory of a R5 car in Argentina. It wasn't as easy as it sounds, because the kind of roads played in favour of the Maxi Rally cars, with Ligato, Díaz, and Padilla changing the second position very close to Scuncio. Sometimes Villagra got into the fight after solve a turbo pressure pipe problem on saturday.

    The third pass over SS PJE. LARROQUET – LOS CARDOS saw the times going down in a incredible way, with gains of 15 seconds. Finally Padilla won the fight against Ligato and Díaz but they finished separated by only 5 seconds after 44 minutes or race.



    Times by SS, Class and General. It's interesting to compare R5, MR and R4.
    https://rallyargentino.com/tiempos20...era03/MENU.HTM


    Video clip of event #3 day1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3TcD-4n7ZU

    Video clip of event #3 day2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM5WtsitSP8


    Pictures
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    Gerónimo Padilla in action


    Flying Scuncio
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damian Baldi View Post
    Yes the MR is faster in general. The R4 cars have a better chassis with a better suspension geometry and a transverse engine, but the MR with a more powerful engine makes the difference. In very twisted sectors cars should match.

    The key is that the MR cars with the latest ECU settings are getting 310-320 HP, while the R4 have a 265 HP engine. There is a long time discussion about that between the teams.
    Sorry, but don't you think that the drivers should be taken into consideration?

    With all due respect to Castro (R4 driver), but he isn't at the same level as Ligato, Díaz, Villagra...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-driven View Post
    Sorry, but don't you think that the drivers should be taken into consideration?

    With all due respect to Castro (R4 driver), but he isn't at the same level as Ligato, Díaz, Villagra...
    Yes, but Castro isn't so far. He is usually on the times of Arceluz or Cadamuro, +/- 10 seconds from the leaders. You could compare from last year times when Castro used to drive an Audi MR turbo.

    As I said before, it depends a lot on the kind of rally. Last year at Neuquen Castro was really fast with the R4 at the SS1, mixed with Cancio, Villagra and Arceluz, at only 18 seconds from Sordo with the Hyundai R5. But at the others SS the difference was constantly bigger.

    I think it's all about the kind of roads, here with mostly fast roads, the R4 isn't at the top times. We could compare it better in a few days when the rally of Córdoba. For sure at Europe is another story with lot of asfalt.

    There will be a Polo R4 soon on the hands of Alvarez, but he isn't any fast.

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    That MR/R4 debate seems interesting. I never thought the power difference would be so big, but aren’t R4’s a bit lighter? On the other specs, besides the transmission aren't they quite similar? Btw, what's the price difference between a MR and a R4?
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    Castro talks in this interview about the process to work with Oreca to homologate the Toyota Etios. He make a comparison about R4 and Maxi Rally cars and talks about performance, power, cost, and the tarjet of the R4 cars.

    Interview in spanish
    https://www.revistascratch.com/inter...damerica-51854

    In this video, Diaz, Marchetto, Alvarez and Soria test the Castro's R4.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-z2f1g-VWs

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    R4 Polo for Alvarez on the making. Once RC Competición finish the structure under Oreca homologation, the car will be sent to VRS Team to be finished.








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    Another Toyota Etios?

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    is that R4 same as FIA Rally2+Kit ?

    or some "local" R4 class
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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-driven View Post
    Another Toyota Etios?
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    is that R4 same as FIA Rally2+Kit ?

    or some "local" R4 class


    It's a VW Polo, and it's under the R4 or Rally2 FIA rules. RC Competicion was one of the early builders of R4 cars.

    These pictures are from july, so the car should be more advanced, but I doubt it will debut this year. Next and final event is in two weeks and Alvarez still have posibilities on the "Copa Pirelli" with his MR atmospheric.

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