The itinerary for the event is out!
https://acm.mc/exigeant-a-plus-dun-titre/
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The itinerary for the event is out!
https://acm.mc/exigeant-a-plus-dun-titre/
343kms of Special Stages, I think it’s the longest we’ve had since they applied the stupid rule of up-to 350kms of SS back in 2019; 3(!) nights stages, fingers crossed they’ll all run. Col de Turini will again serving as the power stage, hopefully they won’t finish like this year
Col De Turini will turn right at the Col, and will finish at Peira Cava, like 2017 for example.
I made a map predicting how the stages will look, obviously some inaccuracies to be expected.
https://www.mapfab.com/map/AgBp/Rall...Prediction-Map
Service in Gap or Montecarlo?
Gap, but Ceremonial Start + Finish in Monte Carlo afaik
Finally km`s of SS rising up...I hope it is not an isolated case :)
I hope it’s not to have a sprint rally in Sweden after.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
Still no full Turini stage.......though we saw it on Saturday on Stage 20 of the Tour de France.....
To be honest I would change the classic Turini route (La Bolléne-Vésubie to Sospel) for the IRC (2009 I think) variant any day. That one was same like 2025 but much longer, passing Peira Cava, than turning left through the epic descent to Pas de'l Escous and after that over the Col de'l Orme and Col d'Ablé.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Yeah that was essentially a combination of Col De Turini and Col de Braus
Rally Guide 1 is out, https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/20...GUIDE-1-GB.pdf
SS2 had to be replaced because of local people complaining
I've made maps for monte carlo that show all watching positions available through internet and how it looks like from that spot with a car passing by with youtube/instagram links. Positions and stages are precisely drawn and marked. Also I made colorized icons describing speed of a car passing by on each spot (bright green 0-30kmh, dark green 30-80, yellow 80-110, bright orange 110-150 dark orange 150-180 and red 180+). Every corner is described briefly of what you can see from it. On each mapped position you will get 3 photos of a car entering, going through and exiting that corner as a preview from a video. Maps are suited for both newcomers and experienced users so you'd know what to expect from a position rather than going blindly and being dissapointed with your watching position.
Stages covered: Shakedown, SS1 SS 2 SS3, SS5, SS6, SS8, SS9, SS16, SS17, SS18
Watching positions covered: 252 + 60 on shakedown
Shakedown map link is here for FREE: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/ed...5o&usp=sharing
And all other maps together I am giving for a small FEE of 30€ due to this taking way too much time and effort. Paying only through paypal.
You will get them as soon as I saw payment being made and it can be used only on one email of your choice that you will tell me in payment description box or in dm's and maps will be shared on that email. Email preferably has to be gmail, but not necessarily due to google having issues with sharing on some other emails that are not gmail ones.
Contact: Preferably reddit /u/Lect3R, discord: Lect3R or alternatevly here in dm's but in past I had issues here with dm's not openning.
GRC | Dimitris Drivakos * Ekaterini Bante in Hyundai i20 R5
with hybrids confirmed to be dropped, should we expect extra entries in rally1 already in MC?
i'd guess 'not yet' but i hope im wrong by at least 2 extra cars lol
I think if the interests is being there, many cars could be build sooner than later, but FIA is again procrastinate with decision of dropping that tech. I think it could be good, since the cars will still be spectacular, fast and clearly could many challenge for some good outing at least for top ten, if we look at local contestants (I exclude Serderidis and Bertelli, because they are slow as hell).Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
The option to run non-hybrid versions of the Rally1 (Puma) has been available for a while so I dont see any sudden increase in cars once hybrid is officially dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
Maybe it's this due to uncertainity... If we look closely on team perspective, I don't think they have that much cars built already, since there is challenges running it in big numbers on rallies, logistical side, infrastructure, unknown costs (which just now appeared to be way higher than expected). Then teams didn't build many cars to have them in stock. This year indeed they change those rules but still, with lack of interest they didn't built them. But dropping hybrid unit for good also means, that also ''locals'' or whoever wants have equal chances to challenge for top ten, podiums, or good appereances. I explicit take out of this Serderidis and Bertelli again, because those two would drive slow even if they only had hybrid powered cars. This year is clearly a proof that Rally1- and Rally2+ concept wouldn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Toyota and Hyundai had no interest in Rally1 sales or making non-hybrid versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
But M-Sport did and had several cars available for sale or rent (hybrid or non-hybrid). Rich Millener also said it wasnt a problem to convert the cars or for them to run both versions together.
Then we can assume it's covid crisis which started declining that private entries, expensive aero packages, I think also (when everything goes up) that entry fees, running costs increased, then that hybrid thing even worsen the whole thing. I mean cars become faster, but running without it against all others I think no one wants that. It does not have any value, just being slower. Then Toyota and Hyundai also with their showing muscles didn't do any favor to the sport, because their non-interest for giving out the possibility to rent their cars. I think that maybe in future it could be achieve that again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But if we do achieve having at least 20 Rally1 cars on the grid, they will need to change the whole concept of AllLive, because even now when there is 8 cars there and then showing 5 second class cars usually takes 1.5 hour of watching in front of screens. And all we got is the same sections and too much animations, talking and way too much snails.
first thing i'd do after deciding to ditch the HY would be to just beg TGR/HWRT to rent their cars if theres demand. we know they have more than 10 cars in their shops. its still expensive, but its not a million bucks anymore, right? jeez cant promoter/fia/teams get to a point where they realize everybody would win if they rent those +10 cars to people for cheap prices? why to just keep them shut in the shop? just rent them for r5 prices, whatever. (haha me, a bad bussiness man!... tho is not like TOYOTA and HYUNDAI are in need of money, eh)
I think it's more than if someone right comes in those cars, that they would be better than official drivers, and then it would be bad image to manufacturs.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
If we assume with hybrid unit that the car costs 1million and without (unit is 150.000€), then thatnumber don't change much. Even M-Sport admitted that building car for that amount isn't a problem at all. It's running cost that it's worrying. And now with that number significantly increasing the only solution is to drop it.
We already are almost sure Hyundai will leave soon. But losing also M-Sport over this would be the last nail in the coffin (they are the sport, their herritage, they are here forever and was when everyone leaved).
Loriaux doesn't see any problem with the late switch to non-hybrid or the need for extra testing...
“I don’t think we need to test more without hybrid,” he said. “If anything, in some ways it’s easier without hybrid. For sure, the car is less complicated and the settings are easier, so I wouldn’t say we need more test days if we take out the hybrid."
Noticed from regulations that tyre sizes are different from last year(at least for rally MC).
Overall they are all narrower and from model name, RC1 and 2 use same tyres.. hopefully RC1's are stronger..
In 2024 slicks and snows for rc1/rc2 were same dimensions, but 2025 snow ones are narrower..
2024:
slicks
RC1/RC2 - 235/45R18
RC3 - 205/45R17
2025:
slicks
RC1/RC2 - 225/40R18
RC3 - 195/50R17
both snow ones narrower.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdAbM0EW...jpg&name=small
I bet if you put them next to each other they'll be the same size, or marginally different.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
It's just different mesurements from different tire manufactures
I've not looked at the documents but is there confusion with snow and ice? To me, a 'snow tyre' belongs at Rally Sweden in 'gravel' spec.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
In Monte what they call a snow tyre is what we call a winter tyre for normal road use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mary Mary
Tyres used in Monte , the snow tyre is on the left to be used with or without studs
Hi there, next January will be my first time at monte and since I'm from Costa Rica I don't really know much about how things are done there and I'd like to ask some questions. I'd like to see a night stage with flares and all that fan show, do you all know if there will be a stage of those kinds, maybe ss1 or ss2? And also we are renting a car, I suppose there is park zones around? Btw, are snow tires enough for the weather or is it better to use chains?
From what I've heard Monte is very difficult. People say you have to get to the stages very early and wait there a long time as there are little access roads available and stage hopping is therefore difficult as well. Snow tires should enough, but it really depends on the weather and were you plan to spectate (altitude).Quote:
Originally Posted by Panosaurio
Actually the Hankooks are a bit wider
Jan Černý in Citroën C3 Rally2.
Somaschini-Arena, Citroen C3 Rally 2
Maps and other items are on the website today but behind a password .....
https://acm.mc/en/edition/93rd-rally...ocuments/maps/
There are maps on the spectators section,
https://acm.mc/en/edition/93rd-rally...ors-area/maps/
Having a quick look through the stages there seems to be fewer restricted areas than previous years.
Tempting to go to MC for the first time.
About "Les Tourniquets de Bayons" on SS2, what would be the best way to go to this point? Walking from the North or the South? I already know we need to be a few hours in advance to pick a spot on this iconic piece of road.
The Tourniquetes hairpins part of that road aren't being used this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennM
And something similar like this year at other stage?
Oh such a shame :(Quote:
Originally Posted by satnav
If anyone knows a similar place let me know.
Just found the maps made by Planetemarcus
https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc...te-carlo-2025/
Hello, I would like to go and see the test (Avancon-Notre Dame de Laus) do you know if there is parking at the beginning or end of the test? Thanks:rolleyes: