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In an ideal world yes. But I would say when the rally is moving it's nearly impossible to do this. Plus when you have a street stage in a big city coming up and all the planning that goes into that - you can't afford to be delaying that kind of event.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina
It's the sort of situation where you can't make 100% of the people happy.
For sure this is only "provisional" time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice_M_27
It should be a notional time, regardless of who was quickest up to the point of cars stopping. Sordo takes credit for the stage victory - everyone else from first to last car has the same time. The stage was yellow flagged on safety grounds. Hopefully the rules say notional time.
That's completely impossible for many reasons. Are You aware of that? Besides that it solves exactly nothing unless the problem wchich stops the stage happens in few hundred meters of it without any follwong crew already started. Even then it's not ideal as the tyres of the stopped crews get cold. Anyway it's theoretical debate as nobody is going to keep a stage on hold for one hour (don't know how in WRC but in our national championship it's even forbidden for safety reasons).Quote:
Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina
Will You do the same when some R2 blocks the stage? Will You just erase all times of cars which came through the stage before? That happens very often You know. How many times per every rally would You do that? If not how can You justify to act differently when it happens to some top crew and when it happens to some nameless competitor from WRC3 or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
I anm not sure but some events in Finland are like this that when some people need to go out from their home then stage will be stopped until residents can pass the stage and then rally continues:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
For sure I know, thats why i said from a Sporting point of view, but not reallistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Now you see Meeke gaining time in last part of SS/, probably the newer tires have something to do.
Very difficult solution for these cases.
One way or another, Ogier is lucky Meeke is not out of sight. I'm sure Meeke would've gone faster than sordo on that stage considering how well he's been driving today. He wouldve at least matched it
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No, but it was a P1 car that went off and the P1 cars were affected. So scrap all stage times, because it will be terrible for publicity if the top cars are penalised when helping a crew potentially trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Wow. Meeke seemingly gets handed fastest time on SS5 - 5.2 quicker than Sordo. I wonder how they came to that decision and that time margin specifically?
Rally-Base is showing Meeke as O/A leader by 35s from Ogier...
Tbf if thats true, he's been on that type of pace all rallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
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correct decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
As I have recognized, they have taken time from first run and added 2,8 seconds more...
Sorry, this times only for Meeke and Camilli.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
No. It is wrong decision. Meeke should receive time of Sordo and Camilli time of Ostberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Seems fair theyve obviously worked out an average of time loss from the first run from the cars that passed and allocated meeke his time on this basis. Mr ogier wont be happy. But if i recall he got a time in a similiar fashion not so long ago so he cant complain really
Artifficial stage victory is wrong no matter how they came to the conclusion.
Meanwhile Kopecký going slowly through another stage. That is clearly some major issue, broken driveshaft or something similar.
EDIT: Kopecký with two punctures but only one spare wheel. He is going to retire most likely.
Double puncture. Only one spare so might be game over for today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I think they calculated how much time the WRC drivers were slower than their first pass and gave meeke the time, in any case if the rally is won or lost by a few seconds then we can see if it was unfair or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
If you are giving notional time, you need to make it as fair as possible for everyone. To be fair, they should give to Meeke time of Sordo or Ogier or something between. But giving him better time than drivers set on the stage is total nonsense...Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
It is not important what will be at the end of the rally. This time IS unfair. Of course, any notional time cannot be 100% correct, but this is again one of the failure of the stewards on the rally...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Calling something 'fair' in this case is subjective. Meeke could argue that his pace during the day warranted that time. I do kind of agree that handing someone a quickest time they didn't set does seem a bit unjust. Meeke could have thrown it off like Paddon and Tanak so at the end of the day no solution is perfect. We can't predict the future. So there is no 'fair'.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
In the stewards' defense at least they have tried to apply some logic to the situation.
don't forget he gained an advantage already by saving his tyres...
best time is not correct....
Some Estonians spoke to Raigo and this is what happened: in the left hander it lifted the car to the other side and they hit a stone and lost a wheel. They landed just 1.5m from Paddon. Everything g was on fire so they dragged the car with hands away from paddons car about 5 meters.
Video of Paddon going off..
https://www.facebook.com/TACrally/vi...1001758978965/
2.8 segs plus to ss2 time to Tidemand, Al Qassimi, Al Rahi, SunninenQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I no its not the same situation as ogier being given 31 seconds in wales last year as he was in the stage and slowed to pass neuville. After his crash a time equal of sordos probably would of been the fairest outcome. But its the decision the stewarts have reached no amount of complaining will change it. Lets just enjoy the rest of this rally and move on
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This is a big failiure by stewards. In case of forest fire, stage should have been immediately stopped and other cars stopped before reching to the scene. This is damn eucalypt forest that burns like gunpowder, they should know that? Imagine cars going through the forrest while it is burning and then spectators in the forrest who want to escape along the road while cars are still driving in competitive mode. Luckily nothing worse happened. This topic in such rallies and in such forrest must be more carefully adressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I think John the view is from a chopper, the camera is moving, the rotor noise.....
And the stage is all cobbles....
But think from the money hungry promoter view. All that press! For free.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
On a serious note, couldn't agree more.
Tanak announces he won't restart tomorrow. I wonder what the damage was?
Rollcage damage obvious from pictures and from Raigos words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
strange,doesnt seem so much .Maybe at Raigos feet place there is damage at cage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci6RjcVWkAA_doB.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci6MGXzXEAIVNis.jpg
Stewards decision on SS5:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci6v4vVXEAAIzQi.jpg
surprise for me Fuchs times compared even to Tidemand. Nice!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci65rFWXEAAiG5A.jpg
borl video day1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCpISz0uuxA
Relax, everything was well controlled by the organizers, firefighters were quickly on scene and according to some friends also on the scene there is a road immediately below and the fire danger could easily by contained. Also as soon as the organizers knew what happened they stopped the stage. Dont be so quick to judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
No surprise to me - Fuchs has been improving steadily since going R5 and has started adding speed to his PWRC consistency. Good guy too!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
On the subject of Meeke without even a posted split to go on, previous stage performance was the only way to assess the time to be given.