Bond if you cant get external insuranceQuote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
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Bond if you cant get external insuranceQuote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
Maybe M-Sport should talk to OT Racing and see if they can use their Fiesta WRC. Its not far away.
Well, i don`t think in EU any place is far, M-sport test car and V1FMC ran Rally Estonia and aren`t driving the rally, but are those cars ready to take the WRC event?
Shaman M-Sport don’t have a test car for such tests on location.
In previous years, at some WRC events I attended, Citroen had a third car in service clearly available for the Rally but they only had two car competing....
They have, just not today. Probably matter of negotiations and ordered package (and maybe even something to do with official test-days and private drivers).
Guys.. youll find its all to do with money. Its not happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Crash aftermath https://youtu.be/UJNExCURMOA
Gutted for Paddon and Kennard. Hope they’ll get soon another chance in the WRC.
it reminds me of Lukyanuk and his test before Rally Finland, also M-Sport but old generation of Fiesta
Takes too long to ship out a new car from CumbriaQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Quite dramatic really, I’m surprisingly shaken
Said it last week that it's risky with test right before the rally. Some people here couldn't see any problem with that.
Feel pitty for Paddon.
At least they are both ok.
And M-Sport say he is not to blame for the crash, so Paddon may feel able to come back again at some point.
Did his budget burn here? His best bet would now be Australia, the rallies before that aren’t his expertise and that’s too late for 2020 seat negotiationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It was a last-minute deal with M-Sport for Finland. It may be hard to get his sponsors to come up with more money anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
But I was thinking more about the psychological effect on Paddon. If the crash had been his error it may have finished him as a WRC driver. But as it wasnt he may be strong enough to try again.
I guess it's not possible to switch to R5 this late? They have an "open" entry.
Devasting news. He must be really low right now - hopefully this isn't the end for him. I'm sure he'll get another drive but whether he can earn a new fulltime contract remains to he seen. The longer you're out the harder it is to get back in...
Testing accidents happen, people on here have previously used it as a stick to beat drivers with, when nearly all the top drivers have binned it in testing over the last 3/4yrs. This won't be held against Paddon by anyone in the wrc circle, but might be difficult in terms of his sponsors finding extra money for another drive - if they've not had any return on this investment.
Testing accidents do happen to everyone which is why you could partly blame MSport for this.They planned test this late before rally and didn't have a reserve car ready.
Right. He has just wrote off a 600k WRC car... Probably not insured.. And your asking about finding another 400k rally car... Which if u were the underwriter.. You probably wouldn't insure... Plus 100k already spend on running on event... Your exposure is now 1.1million...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Stfu
Really not such a bad idea, OT racing loans m-sport their car, Haydon jams it between Ott and Neuville in rally Finland results, helps Ott out with championship. Haydon is never going to beat Ott in Finland so nothing to lose (other than car which can be replaced)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
HP:
Where to next.....who knows. But it’s great to have the support of @MSportLtd at present. Motor sport can be cruel, but it is these highs and lows that makes us stronger and keeps bringing us back - fans and competitors alike. Best of luck to everyone competing this weekend. https://t.co/cZ0XsczfTi
Even buying an R5 wouldn't cost 400k. The insurance thing is a big IF but this way his sponsors are getting no exposure for their investment. Driving an R5 would give at least something. And the race running cost of a WRC car is probably double the amount of an R5.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Dude..Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Im talking financial exposure. running costs are not recoverable now. A 600k car is scrap, and running a R5 with no insurance has a further exposure of 400k.
The car is not binned completely, it can be fixed with less cost than 600k...Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
What parts do you think can be reused?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Some small things perhaps. But even then only for customers and not for the factory cars, since they will never be able to guarantee their sturdiness again.
No, that car is a total write off. You can salvage perhaps a few grand on helmet nets, pencil holders and some elektrical buttons, but everything else will have had too much of an impact to use again.
I believe Msport works like their own insurance company. I'm not sure, perhaps somebody knows better than me, but here's what i think:Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
Instead of letting their customers pay someone else 30.000€ or whatever for the insurance, they just charge those 30k to their customers and take the risk themselves.
Which usually makes them more money since they produce all the parts and cars are rarely a total write off. Just because they ask 10 grand for some parts doesn't mean it costs them that much to build it.
Only in case of fire or a very hard crash like this, they lose money compared to when they would have external insurance.
who would drive 750k€ car flatout through the Finnish forest with uninsured car?! are you drunk, guys? i miss NOT now
Lol.. the usual keyboard monkeys are demonstrating their intellectual inferiorityQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Paddons crash https://twitter.com/autosport/status...782743552?s=21
Looks like some seriously bad luck. Can't blame the driver.
That said it's not like the team bosses will hire him based on a hypotetical result.
The problem is precisely that he's got no team bosses to worry about because he was hiring the car. If he'd been signed on to M-Sport like Evans or Suninen it'd be a different story and his future would be much more certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But like Ligato in Argentina some years back this was a one-off that will never happen, and he might never get another chance unless a team bites the bullet and gets him onboard based off of... What exactly?
I think after Hirvonen's Fiesta burned in Sardegna 2014 Wilson himself said that it was the only way to "destroy" a modern rally car. That no matter how badly you'd crash it, most of the parts could still be reused.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Not claiming to be an expert on this, but it would require a huge impact and forces to affect the actual resistance values of a material.
As i said, which parts would you consider reliable enough to reuse for your official team? Which 100 of even 1000€ part is worth risking a dnf or even another crash?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Nothing from the engine, nothing from the transmission, nothing from the suspension, nothing from the bodywork, nothing from the safety features like foam, seats, harnesses, fire extinguisher, fuel tank or fuel pump.
Most likely not even the bodyshell.
Not much remains.
Back in the old days they would refurbish parts and sell them to privateers. But since the new wrc era there are no privateers anymore to sell those cheaper parts.
That was not half way as catastrophic as this one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Umh, same outcome, a brand-new chassis was written off and he didn`t start the rally. Looks pretty similar also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...7912700008.jpg
Similar crash, but this happened to a way more fast and established WRC driver. So result/outcome much more devastating for everyone except maybe for drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
And as I said, I don't claim to be an expert on this. This was the article with Wilson's comments I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
much ''better'' condition.The expensive parts are in the frontQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
engine and transmission why? they will be inspected/rebuild .Electrical parts like fuel pumps/wiring/sensors will be tested if they are ok.Also some mechanicals parts,like calipers,exhausts,turbo,manifolds,springs from suspensions etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
M sport has the ability and the equipment to check them properly.
there are plenty of spares that can save even from such a crash.And they are not cheap.
wrc.com: The damage to the sump guard demonstrated the speed you’d hit the rock…
HP: It was the biggest crash I’ve had, certainly the one with the highest speed. When we got out of the car, the sump guard is actually split in half. The rock we hit is still there with a load of aluminium on it.
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july...2--12-12-.html
Janpro team has one ready for the rally. Sure it is entered for a privateer, but if enough cash would have exchanged hands, it might have been doable..