Isn't it like that, two engine limit is connected to certain chassis or body. If they take new car or chassis then they get to use new engines? I might be totally off but I remember smthng like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
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Isn't it like that, two engine limit is connected to certain chassis or body. If they take new car or chassis then they get to use new engines? I might be totally off but I remember smthng like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
And if backup engine is already having doubts then my money is on Tänak not finishing PS on 5+5p situation .
It's gearbox linked with two specific rallys. Engine could be fitted anyone of 2 "homologated" per season. But using 3rd engine in year it's 5 min time penalty on a rally where it's newly fittedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dontcut
Physically broken cylinder for Tanak.... yeah... really not good news
Which being the serial numbered part, explains why there's only so much repair they can do since Sweden 7 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
So Kalle all hards, saving softs for tomorrow.
Yep that about yesterday engine, not about Sweden one. Mean yesterday unrepairable.. and if 'sweden one' brokedown tomorrow - it's 5 min at CER alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Amazing rules invented.. mega money saving :D
Spend tens of millions to fight for wins and titles, but unable to repair or use proper engines and therefor lose wins and titles :D
I would limit the engines 1 per two seasons :D
Well, it did save money on a new engine and they weren't rewarded for having a supply of new engines that shouldn't need to be built. The cost saving rules prefer endurance over performance and their engine failed that. They might want to look at the design, materials and manufacturing process.
Is this the way championship`should be decided?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Manufacturers? Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Brilliant stage from Ogier. Joy to watch
BTW by the Rules if Ott will use 3rd engine tomorrow +5min will apply in Chile? If yes so why they didn't fit new engine today, get +5min today and go for full points at Sunday.
If they still fit new engine for Sunday they scrap Sunday with +5min penalty already, but got 3 rally with new engine.
If they not - any of 3 next rally will be under threat of 'another engine failure'
Reliability is part of the game, normally people can deal with it but if it happens at the "right" moment everybody is up in arms like sport should be different. This isn't sport, it is motorsport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Ah you made me look. No, the penalty applies to the next rally - CER.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Only if a car fails to finish a Power stage they can have a third engine penalty free but the retired engine does not get used again, so they'd have to sacrifice this result to be penalty free in CER and use a new engine, as I think Tanak has finished every Power stage, and like he says, they have used two this season.
Agree fully. Almost. But what should be proved? And where do you set the limitation? Why not one engine, then? No, excusé moi, that wouldn´t work, would it? Three then? Well, maybe get the fans more for their money, or how to look at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Most of the homologation and reliability rules are adding nothing and just ruining rallies.
Yeah. Smth like that, I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Porter to Pajari: "You always ask me lots of questions".
Pajari: " "
:D Look who's talking.
If I remember correctly it was just one engine until this year and the only reason it changed was Tänaks issue at Estonia last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Of course there is the argument that cost saving measures like this don't change a thing as manufacturers spend the money they have, but if it wasn't for this regulation we still would have teams changing engines every other weekend.
So I'd say regulations like this actually are technically advantageous.
If ogier wins this one, he deserves to be champion. He just is and remains the best.
I wouldn´t say they could change engine every other weekend either- Where is the golden spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Everyone knows the rules and regulations. All have to abide by them and adjust their car / parts and way of using them accordingly.
That's called the million dollar question isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Hyundai has some thinking to do. Sacrifice potential points here and have a new engine for the last events penalty free?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Or complete Chile and swap cars with the lackey Fourmaux. Or even Neuville.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Is swapping even allowed?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Before an entry list is published, I can't see why not. I'll stand corrected if I get corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Fourmaux put into his place again when starting positions are equal, just like in Paraguay
The WRC has some stupid rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
The manufacturers spent 60 miilions a year or more to win titles, and then they limite engines to only two?
A third one would blow the budgets? Seriously?
Basicly, they sent 40 miillions on R&D, almost 20 doing rallies, and then they couldn't spend 300.000 Euros on a third engine? Are these 300.000 on one more engine and 200.000 on one more gearbox that will blow the budget?
They blow the championship chances by saving 500.000Eur on a 60 milion budget?!?
Where do you set the limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Do you allow a new engine and a new gearbox on every day of every event?
Using your figures that would be €1.5 million in engines and gearboxes every event!
Answer: NOQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
WRC Regulations
17.1.1 Each Manufacturer must use no more than 2 engines per car
name per season (see also Art.17.2.2 and Art. 17.2.3).
But
17.2.3 When a car does not finish the Power Stage, an extra engine
per car name may be allowed without incurring a penalty. No
more than one extra engine per car name and per season may
be sealed without incurring any penalty.
When an extra engine is used, the engine which was fitted on
a retired car (car name) may not be used any further during
the season (see Art. 17.1.4).
If Tanak does not finish Sunday they can use a new engine replacing on of these two damaged
Aren't engines linked with certain chassis numbers?
What if some drivers are good destroying the engines more, some do destroy tires more, some do destroy whole cars more... I don't say Tanak do that. But last year he either was very good or bin it completely. This year he is very good but his engines fail often. It's also Hyundai's fault and their constant reliability issues from the beginning. But what other options do he have? Getting again back at M-Sport and can't achieve much. Toyota have too any drivers and it seems every one of them is somehow important to them. The best chance of getting out of team is in 2027. He could also step into Lancia's office and maybe persuade them into bringing the car on a Rally1 field, but I think they already have that plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I think yes and manufacturer team can use up to 9 chassis per season. I don't know what's fuzz about here. Hyundai just puts this Tänak chassis into garage after this and take new car with new two engine slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I can´believe those high figures around engines and gearboxes. It can´t be per unit, only an average of total costs... including development etz. So one more engine wouldn´t be that much as mentioned above, and should make championship more reassuringly.
If this was so easy, why would they have a used engine + damaged spare in Chile? I think there is more to the ruleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dontcut
during season, there are some "linked" rally, where you have to keep the same component for 2 consecutive round.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
It's complicated somehow in a sporting regulation... on 'engine block' they say that engine count link to a 'car name' and car name - driver name list should be given to FIA before entrylist was published. So in that case they can give to Tanak Fourmaux car.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
But than 'chassis' block come.. and they allow 9 chassis per year, so chassis=car name and 9*2=18 engines allowed per year?
only for gearbox and diffs. And that link ends in Chile. Another one is CER/JapanQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler