Is he too Tall or why?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Is he too Tall or why?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
didn't Tanak take a step back in 2013 and 2014 to Subaru and fiesta r5 and it helped him a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Agree, full season with 4th Rally1 like Katsuta the last 2 years should work if they insist on Rally1 or full season (not just 7 Events) in Rally2.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
I hear it over and over again how driving around a small circuit in RX car shows he "can handle it". Lately I tend to agree with what other people wrote. That RX-mindset with full push every corner is actually a disadvantage at this point. He has shown he has top speed over a stage or a few sections, it's the balance of keeping less than 100% speed over multiple stages that is the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Tanak and Evans were both kicked from WRC to R5 (or even "out" for Tanak) at MSport. They came back stronger, so I don't buy the "step back". Oliver only ever won a single rally in R5 on WRC level (Estonia 2020) and a single ERC rally (Liepaja 2020). So it's not like there is nothing to learn.
Indeed. We've seen kubica and raikkonen, they were used to even faster and more powerfull cars but they never made it to the top level in rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Driving 5 corners 100 times requires a very different skillset than driving 1000 corners 2 times.
Driving an RX car says nothing about the talent. That is the usual unscientific BS Dirtfish puts out every now and then. Every top rally driver should be able to handle a RX car around a RX circuit with one hand tied behind his back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...focus-to-2023/
Not anything new really, I think Moncet mentioned that last week when he was interviewed by Dirtfish that they're now focusing on getting the car ready for 2023.
Replies re Solberg's speed in an RX car may be fair enough, but what about himi n the ARC in a top Subaru ?
I dont think the problem is that he 'cant handle' a Rally1 car.
He can handle a Rally1 car for sure, but he definitely can't handle the Rally1 competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
In all honesty, we ask for more Rally1 seats, but there are only 10-15 people in this world which would be "good enough" anyway.
We ask for more Rally1 cars which in turn bring more seats but if we had let's say 12 cars in each event from 4 manufacturers I think we'd be in the sweet spot IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
What does that prove? The Subaru is a completely different car and the level of competition in ARA is different. When the ARA top guys come to WRC, they can hardly get into top 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And "hardly into top 10" is even being kind to ARA drivers. The top drivers are Pastrana, Block and Semenuk. We already saw Pastrana and Block in WRC, they would all struggle big time in any European national championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Dirtfish boosts ARA because they're Americans, but using ARA as a unit of measurement for Oliver is like saying Simone Tempestini's talent is outstanding because he's a 6 times Romanian rally champion.
I don't think he can handle a Rally1 car, not yet at least. He admitted it himself after his accident in Finland, in the DirtFish interview: "it's hard to find the balance between being *last* and *risking* being fast".Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
He needs a step back ASAP because that's a career death sentence statement.
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Well he surly can't handle a Rally1 car at the requiered pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
In the German rallye-magazin.de Chef technician Christian Loriaux is mentioning the overweight of the Hyundai WRC car. They did not want to make the mistake again when developing the i20 Rally1 and construct the chassis too weak. Has this been discussed before?
"After all, the engine was reliable. The Hyundai drivers shot through the Finnish forests at 197 km/h. Toyota only achieved 188. The engine performance of the turbo four-cylinder is only part of the truth, "one of the reasons for the high top speed is that we have too little downforce,"
The clever Belgian has long had some ideas up his sleeve to remedy the situation, but at the moment his drivers have to live with the fact that the i20 Rally1 is the most beautiful car in the field, but lacks the downforce.
But it's not just the aerodynamics that bother the team. The car drags around 30 kilos of excess weight and that costs about a tenth of a second per kilometer. That may not sound like much at first, but extrapolated to the entire Rally Finland it is over 30 seconds.
Among other things, Hyundai apparently did not want to make the mistake again when developing the i20 Rally1 and construct the chassis too weak. The experiences with the World Rally Car were too painful, the wheels of which buckled at the slightest contact with the rocks. However, there are more problems lurking in the new chassis, because the steering behavior of the car is not optimal and the drivers complain that the rear end likes to lead a life of its own, especially in medium-speed corners"
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...gewicht-48856/
The problem with the rear end is on change in october, new rear axel.
The main thing is that they "gambled" with the struts pointing front, and towards center of car in both directions, to get best weight distribution and center the mass.
They goes back to more straight upwards on the update.
Pardon my bad english if it didn't make sense.
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Reading that makes Thierrys and Tänaks efforts this season even more impressive IMO
Indeed if they fix the issues we hopefully won't have 7 years of Rovanpera domination.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Does anyone know or remember what type of suspension did Hyundai have before Rally1 cars? Tänak didn't like the handling of the car also back then (complaining many times + often risking with only one spare tyre). Maybe it was from totally other reasons but would be interesting to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
If you mean suspension supplier they switched to ZF Sachs I think during Tänaks first year with Hyundai, and have had it ever sinceQuote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Okay, thank you for the info. I think I didn't express myself clearly. As I'm not very familiar with the terminology what I actually meant how are the struts connected now compared to what they had then.
Ott gave an interview to our local blog and there he said that as in Ypres, local knowledge plays a very important role, the full support from the team goes to Neuville. Also said that they haven't developed tarmac car after Croatia due to "different problems that were more critical".
"different problems", was that a reference to the reliability issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
OK, the first 2017 car had the dampers situated direct on top of the upright both front and rear, mid season 2020 they changed the position to be next to the upright center and lower similar as Ford and Toyota. 2022 car has it next to the upright as well but the rear damper has a big angle with the upper pickup point being a lot more frontwards than in previous models. It`s clearly visible in jump shots and also in videos. What else is different in the geometry I don`t know but the damper angle is very much noticeableQuote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
It doesn't come out from the interview so we can only guess. My opinion would be these supply problems + this team structure problems what Ott and Thierry have been talking about. And also some focus on the gravel events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Sordo doing recce for Ypres.
Sure it might be to get a feeling of stages to help other drivers with setup/tires etc.
More likely explanation is that he won't be fully retiring this year.
I've not seen it rumoured anywhere the Ypres would be on the calendar next year...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Maybe he's backup in case Oliver gets too scared to start?
Wouldn't it be too late for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Yeah, likely Sordo is recceing just to help others. Ypres has been a spare event now twice, and not planning to be on the calendar next year. If Sordo would now start the event, he wouldn't have had any testing or any tarmac runs in the new car.
I sincerely hope we see him for the rest of the season from Greece onwards.
I seem to recall that after Ypres last year they said it will join on regular basis from 2024 or something like that? But then they put it in this year as a quick insert, so that can happen also before that.
But yeah, probably more likely he is doing it just as support ("to help others") and not cause he plans to go on next year.
Sordo was rumored to have a contract with hiunday as kind of Oliver tutor, so maybe this is inside this "job". (but this was Adamo era, may be not)
Also he stepped in before as last minute replace for gravel crew (for Neuville in Monte i think), so i think is quite used to do recce as team job.
Ott gave an interview to Estonian media. Key points from there
*PET was nothing special. Whole team has been tense solving other different problems.
*Rally Ypres car is the same as in Croatia, nothing new.
*Thinks rain showers can change the game like in Croatia.
*Again says that it is okay if team is helping and focusing on Thierry as it is his home rally
*As long we don’t have a structure in the team, nothing will happen. Currently there isn’t a new structure. They are working on it (Question was about if they have started to deal with the problems they have with the car)
*Moncet has enough tasks on his specialty and it would be better for all if he keeps focusing on those tasks (Question was about if his win in Finland can help Moncet to become an official team principal)
*Overall 2nd place isn’t a target. Maybe for Thierry but in OUR team we are very far from racing. We need to build a system. Hopefully this message will be finally heard, we are working on it.
The last one was interesting when he pointed out that this 2nd place would motivate Thierry but in OUR team things are not as they should. What could this "our" team mean?
Just a thougt.
Has Adamo left hyundai to a complete chaos?
Maybe this is a result off his way of being a boss?
A "dictator" that run a workplace in fear is not a good boss.
A leader that is "pal" with everyone is not good eighter.
They need a boss that can find a way between.
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Originally Posted by skarderud
Take it with a grain of salt, but I have heard from reliable sources, that Adamo didn't leave because the car was a dog or some other internal struggles. Apparently he left because of some serious health issues
We only know for sure Hyundai was the last to start development of the Rally1 and Adamo has hinted that was because he got the green light late from Korea. There can be all kinds of rumors, the fact is he was on the stages helping get Loeb's car on the trailer. I suspect it was more of an ego thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrown
That’s Adamos version on why leftQuote:
Originally Posted by tcrown
And one more time, he didn’t leave, he was fired
It's one of the usual reasons given in the corporate world when management is changed. It's either that or "to spend more time with the family".
https://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/...FAHTWBNYV5N74/
According to this & this: https://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/...N5JYL2VPY3JGA/
Tänak will continue with the team for next year.
Would love to see Makinen coming in this Hyundai shitstorm :D
Ott was asked that could these two wins in Finland and Belgium give Hyundai bosses an illusion that all is fine and we can win anyway? Ott replied that he will make sure there are no illusions :D