[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

Motorsport News today adding a bit more fuel to the Neuville-to-Citroen fire.

Matton us tight-lipped as always, but admits pairing Meeke and Neuville is "an option". Says they are the same profile of driver, but that he was able to manage four drivers of the same level in the WTCC. He continues to talk about a long, drawn-out process for selecting drivers

The piece also says sources close to Neuville have admitted it looks like his time with Hyundai is up.


Also regarding Citroen entries for the remainder of the year - Meeke confirms he's doing China and Corsica. But also that he'd like to do GB. Citroen at the moment look like they are taking Breen, Lefebvre and Al-Qassimi to Wales. But Meeke says he'd like to do GB to stay sharp heading into next year.

I'd also heard one of the Citroen drivers was doing Catalunya - but that isn't mentioned in the piece.

Damn, i was hoping for Tänak to Citroen...Meeke-Tänak would be hell of a fast line up!

so Abbring may get his golden chance at Hyundai, he was faster than Breen in ERC but at the moment Breen is definitely faster than him. Abbring always has so many problems at the rallies, basically every rally something with the car. It would be very interesting so how he would develop if he has a whole season. Same goes for Breen of course.

Would Hyundai use Abbring though? I'm a fan, but to me I'd like to see him in a 4th car/R5 for more rallies before the main game, while someone like Tanak is in the 3rd Hyundai. Just dreaming...

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Would Hyundai use Abbring though? I'm a fan, but to me I'd like to see him in a 4th car/R5 for more rallies before the main game, while someone like Tanak is in the 3rd Hyundai. Just dreaming...

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Beyond M-Sport running customer cars I have a hard time seeing any manufacturer running four cars on rounds next year. For me it's got to the point with Abbring now where he really needs to be getting an expanded programme. Sporadic outings really haven't worked for him. He does seem to be an unlucky driver in general. Okay some of it is self-induced but where he's going to struggle is against someone like Breen. Look at what he's done with his three rallies with limited testing this year compared to Kevin. Although Abbring did show some nice flashes of speed in Sardinia.

If Neuville does move on I'd like to see Kevin and Seb get the third seat. Next year Paddon and Sordo will be testing the current car and the R5 will be in the hands of customers. So I'm not sure there's as much need to have a fourth driver on the books?

interesting to watch where placed the r5s speed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpfH96MUEAACCzA.jpg

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Originally Posted by dimviii

interesting to watch where placed the r5s speed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpfH96MUEAACCzA.jpg

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Credit to forumer KiwiWRCFan who made this. Don't understand why people just rip stuff off all the time without crediting.

Very interesting though. Puts into context what impressive machines those R5s are.

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Credit to forumer KiwiWRCFan who made this. Don't understand why people just rip stuff off all the time without crediting.
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sorry didnt know who created it.

R5 cars are very impressive. Lappi lost under 1 sec/km to Meeke in Rally Finland. R5 is definetely good and proper class under wrc. And more cars are coming like i20 r5. Looks good :)

at some wrc rounds also s2000 cars were under 1 sec/km vs wrc cars.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

at some wrc rounds also s2000 cars were under 1 sec/km vs wrc cars.

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Aside of engine and some details S2000 and WRC shared exactly same technical rules so it's not that surprising :)

Atleast next year we have more than 1 sec/km difference between wrc and wrc2. Wrc2 around 300-310 hp and wrc17 380-400hp. right?

Interesting podcast with great Kris Meeke interview on Rally Finland, Capito and the 2017 car:

Meeke is about 30 mins in...

https://www.podbean.com/media/player...1ae91-pb?vjs=1

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Originally Posted by Thousandlakes

Wrc2 around 300-310 hp and wrc17 380-400hp. right?

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Originally Posted by Thousandlakes

Atleast next year we have more than 1 sec/km difference between wrc and wrc2. Wrc2 around 300-310 hp and wrc17 380-400hp. right?

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WRC2 around 280-285 bhp and next year instead of 300-315 bhp we will have 370-380 bhp in the WRC category.

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Originally Posted by Eli

WRC2 around 280-285 bhp and next year instead of 300-315 bhp we will have 370-380 bhp in the WRC category.

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No and No

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No and No

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my bad then

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Fiesta rrc in 2012 had already around 280-290 hp with 30mm restrictor. Anyway that difference between wrc17/wrc2 is going to be what it should be! could be even more :)

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Atleast next year we have more than 1 sec/km difference between wrc and wrc2. Wrc2 around 300-310 hp and wrc17 380-400hp. right?

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Yes, approximately. I just myself expect 400+ Hp for WRC 2017.

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Atleast next year we have more than 1 sec/km difference between wrc and wrc2. Wrc2 around 300-310 hp and wrc17 380-400hp. right?

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I think R5 has less power. 300 is the maximum power for a WRC'11 (according to regulations). Correct me if I'm wrong

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I think R5 has less power. 300 is the maximum power for a WRC'11 (according to regulations). Correct me if I'm wrong

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Yes, You are wrong. There is no limit of 300 Hp because it's not possible to control. There are other limiting features, mainly air restrictor and maximum boost limit but those don't set any line at 300 Hp. They just give conditions for the manufacturers to cope with.

The real power is mostly secret but it's more than 300 Hp for all latest R5 cars and a lot more for WRC cars. I believe even latest S2000 cars reached 300 Hp but with a lot less torque.

In case of WRC cars I know for sure only the power of really old cars but even Fabia WRC ten years a go had 340 Hp.

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Yes, You are wrong. There is no limit of 300 Hp because it's not possible to control. There are other limiting features, mainly air restrictor and maximum boost limit but those don't set any line at 300 Hp. They just give conditions for the manufacturers to cope with.

The real power is mostly secret but it's more than 300 Hp for all latest R5 cars and a lot more for WRC cars. I believe even latest S2000 cars reached 300 Hp but with a lot less torque.

In case of WRC cars I know for sure only the power of really old cars but even Fabia WRC ten years a go had 340 Hp.

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The latest evolution of the 207 S2000 engine is quoted to have 309-311 HP. Also, I heard that the Lancer Evo WRC had 351 HP, but I'm not sure if that's true.

During rally Finland there was rumour that factory fabia R5 had 310 hp. Biggest "secret" in wrc. Hp levels. Heh ;) they should do official and open dyno before every rally ;)

Hyundai WRC grip problems can't be fixed until 2017 car arrives http://www.autosport.com/news/report...xed-until-2017

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Yes, You are wrong. There is no limit of 300 Hp because it's not possible to control. There are other limiting features, mainly air restrictor and maximum boost limit but those don't set any line at 300 Hp. They just give conditions for the manufacturers to cope with.

The real power is mostly secret but it's more than 300 Hp for all latest R5 cars and a lot more for WRC cars. I believe even latest S2000 cars reached 300 Hp but with a lot less torque.

In case of WRC cars I know for sure only the power of really old cars but even Fabia WRC ten years a go had 340 Hp.

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Just like Super GT... ;)

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Under A8 regulations I have seen a Ford 2.0 liter WRC engine (made by Mountune circa 2005) ,hit 370 hp on dyno.

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Under A8 regulations I have seen a Ford 2.0 liter WRC engine (made by Mountune circa 2005) ,hit 370 hp on dyno.

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Seems 370hp is not reliable. Look the 2.0T A8 WRC and 1.6T WTCC engines, clearly 1.6T WTCC have much more power than WRC's. They even claimed that is only around 380HP.

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Seems 370hp is not reliable. Look the 2.0T A8 WRC and 1.6T WTCC engines, clearly 1.6T WTCC have much more power than WRC's. They even claimed that is only around 380HP.

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The WTCC run bigger restrictors, more or less the formula of WRC next year.

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Under A8 regulations I have seen a Ford 2.0 liter WRC engine (made by Mountune circa 2005) ,hit 370 hp on dyno.

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Seems 370hp is not reliable. Look the 2.0T A8 WRC and 1.6T WTCC engines, clearly 1.6T WTCC have much more power than WRC's. They even claimed that is only around 380HP.

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It always depends if the dyno is properly set but 370 Hp for Focus WRC 08 would be IMO quite realistic figure. For Focus 05 I don't think so.

I am quite sure that WTCC 1.6T with 36 mm restrictor have over 400 Hp.

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It always depends if the dyno is properly set but 370 Hp for Focus WRC 08 would be IMO quite realistic figure. For Focus 05 I don't think so.

I am quite sure that WTCC 1.6T with 36 mm restrictor have over 400 Hp.

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Mirek， you seems always not believe factories' figure. It's hard to believe current WTCC can reach 400HP because they seemed very slow compared with other touring/GT cars.

When we look Nurburgring's lap time, TC1 car has a huge gap to FIA GT3 cars' even the GT3 R only has 500HP.

Lap times are not always about hp figures

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Lap times are not always about hp figures

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Yes, it's true. Just a simple compare.

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Mirek， you seems always not believe factories' figure. It's hard to believe current WTCC can reach 400HP because they seemed very slow compared with other touring/GT cars.

When we look Nurburgring's lap time, TC1 car has a huge gap to FIA GT3 cars' even the GT3 R only has 500HP.

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I don't believe factory figures because the figures I know are completely different than what is claimed. There are cars I am quite sure about, for example Octavia WRC Evo II 320 Hp, Fabia WRC 07 340 Hp, Corolla WRC 320 Hp, Fiesta R5 300-305 Hp. I heard from several sources that Focus 08 had 370 Hp but I don't know that for sure.

I guess that current WRC 1.6T with 33 mm restrictor may have around 340 Hp. 36 mm restrictor gives approximately 20% more air which could roughly give a bit over 400 Hp. That's of course just my guessing but I find hard to believe that current WRC have less than 30 Hp advantage over R5 cars (Fiesta isn't the strongest anyway).

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I don't believe factory figures because the figures I know are completely different than what is claimed. There are cars I am quite sure about, for example Octavia WRC Evo II 320 Hp, Fabia WRC 07 340 Hp, Corolla WRC 320 Hp, Fiesta R5 300-305 Hp. I heard from several sources that Focus 08 had 370 Hp but I don't know that for sure.

I guess that current WRC 1.6T with 33 mm restrictor may have around 340 Hp. 36 mm restrictor gives approximately 20% more air which could roughly give a bit over 400 Hp. That's of course just my guessing but I find hard to believe that current WRC have less than 30 Hp advantage over R5 cars (Fiesta isn't the strongest anyway).

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As far as I know, Fiesta R5 had 312bhp before the EVO. A good Evo IX in Gr.N for it's 309bhp. But with Portugal Gr.P rules you can have a Evo VII with 340bhp easily. The 300 bhp announced are just ridiculous

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As far as I know, Fiesta R5 had 312bhp before the EVO.

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Definitely not. Only if the dyno was wrongly set. Fiesta R5 before Evo had less than 300 Hp.

Man we really need some more news and rumours to emerge...

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Man we really need some more news and rumours to emerge...

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Here's a rumour... Abbring to VW for 2017.

good sense of humour...

Some news from a sardinian newspapaper:

1) The alternative location in the mainland is not ready yet and require another year. The Promoter do not want to wait and maybe Sardinia can host the rally one more year. Or in alternative Italy will lose the slot for just one year, or lose it forever.

2)Main candidates to take italian slot should be Canada and Japan

3) Also Poland is going to lose the slot because of safety reasons and less money from Lotos.

4) There is a possibility that events can be shortened in future, with shakedown on friday morning and the start of the rally in the afternoon to cut costs.