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Originally Posted by Negaiss
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Originally Posted by Negaiss
OK, I was just wondering that they made a mistake in day coverage again.,. because this stage was clear without snow) at the beginning (it was just wet and mud when he lost sumpguard) and when he had this impact, coming back on the road, it was snowy, the second part of the stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
So you think an organizer can assume that every spectator will take care of his own safety, that there are no people without knowledge, people who are just stupid, people who are drunk etc.? In France spectating a rally is for free, which makes it much more accessible and interesting for locals, it's not like in WRGB where local people who are not very interested are kept away by huge entry fees. You have to keep in mind that most of the people who watch a rally cannot estimate the danger so well, a lot of occasional and new spectators. So yes, when an accident happens on a spectator area, and spectators are on a place that's marked as safe by the organizers, the organizers are responsible for it, 100%. So yes, you can blame the organizers when there is an accident, how funny is that... Outside the public areas designated by the organizers it's a completely different story of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by bassist
With respect your missing the point. The organisers got it wrong,the area featured should never have been designated as a spectator area. Individuals have a duty of care to themselves, and common sense is surely at the heart of the arguement here. No matter what may be `officially` designated if it`s unsafe. it`s unsafe. There is enough footage available from the past years tradgedies to illustrate this point. The only issue threatening the Sport of Rallying at all levels is even more tragic accidents as a result of spectating. Whether it`s free or not is immaterial, when are people going to realise that our sport is NOT spectator freindly!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Big moment for Mikkelsen!
https://www.facebook.com/francesco.s...5665324648275/
Incredible how much narrow escapes there have been this rally and that every moment has been captured and put online in no-time haha.
I think it was the other way around:Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
1st incident (off in the snow part at the middle of the ss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISVjSv3d9n8
2nd incident (contact with stone near the ss end)
http://www.dici.fr/actu/2016/01/23/r...es-d-tv-698731
According to spectators, the stone was a piece of the bedrock that came out after the first loop and the guys before Meeke managed to avoid it. Maybe after the first incident Meeke came under stress and loose full concentration, but it’s a shame to end such a fine exhibition this way. It came clear that he’s the only guy able to match Ogier. Hope Matton can extend his WRC program!
On a more positive note, it was nice to see the i20’s showing more potencial, Lappi and Suninen closer to the other R5’s guys (their start positions were a bad joke) and the consistency of Evans and Veiby.
Btw, Burri Jr. is now leading Clio Cup final ahead of Rossetti, after Vaillant’s difficult morning (the winner gets six WRC3 events in a Clio).
For sure MC organizers can’t watch every single spectator, but you must admit that this event crowd's control seems to be very poor. Latvala’s incident wasn’t in a remote mountain location; it was near a little village with easy access. Marshalls and Police should be there leading people to safe places (specially after the offs of Delecour and Suarez on the first loop).Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
In other areas we see ‘no public’ signs but no one respecting them. It can be funny to see guys using Elephants or Bananas costumes, but an uncontrolled car won’t stop because there’s a nice atmosphere around…
I really thought FIA was taking spectator’s security seriously, after last year tragic accident in that Spanish regional rally, but it seems they’re only good on the bla, bla, bla!
Of course I am not serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
JML Suspended from One (1) WRC round in 2016 and fined for hitting spectator during Rally MC
And this spectator has to be fined with life long arrest because of putting his camera in dangerous places and then risking his life by trying to save his stupid camera???Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
We really live in strange times!
Absolutely. The spectator almost quite litterally threw himself towards a moving rally car that had gone off and hence was really unpredictable in that moment, yet it's JML to suffer these (quite drastic) consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by karl59
As a result of the incredibly poor work of ACM regarding their "safe" zones and the work of marshals (that really aren't anywhere to be seen, huh?), JML now suffers. What a display of logical thinking and sportsmanship, eh?
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Colin Clark @voiceofrally
Morning rally friends from the 1st stage of the last day in Monte. Beautiful clear sky, +3 and totally dry on stage
JML is not fined for hitting the spectator, that can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
He is fined for not handling the issues according to the rules! As it was already expected after the incident yesterday!
Stewards decision: http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/201...SION-No.-6.pdf
Neuville was very close to the tree at same place where Kubica crashed
https://youtu.be/_6OLRjBtzWs
Very nice pictures from the live stage. Well done
More on latvala case: http://beta.autosport.com/news/repor...-suspended-ban
So it's suspended sentence, comes into effect only if offence is repeated this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by tc10a
And what should he have done to follow these rules ???Quote:
Originally Posted by tc10a
Apparently they wanted him to stop and check with the spectators - despite him not at all realizing he had hit someone...Quote:
Originally Posted by karl59
The stewards' decision: "It is not plausible for the stewards that the crew did not even consider the possibility that they had hit a spectator." Source: http://beta.autosport.com/news/repor...-suspended-ban
So apparently every time there's even a remote chance of having hit someone, you should check... and I'm sure the decision would be absolutely the same had it been Ogier... ;)
Seeing the onboard from Latvala it was clearly visible that they hit the guy. But thats it. It happened - it was sanctioned according to the rules - move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyace
it's a suspended sentence, comes only into effect if offence is repeated this year. So no big deal. And the fine is probably peanuts for VW / Latvala.
The chief steward is a German...Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyace
I think the point is, they're basically calling him a liar. He knew he hit someone - even softly - enough to bail up the reporter about it.
He'd already lost time going off the road, he could have at least opened his door for 5-10 secs to get the thumbs up from the spectators around him...
2016 WRC Sporting Regulations Article 40.4:Quote:
Originally Posted by karl59
INCIDENT ON A SPECIAL STAGE INVOLVING A PERSON WHO IS NOT A CREW MEMBER
If a crew is involved in an accident in which a member of the public sustains physical injury, the car must stop immediately and the procedure as laid down in Art. 40.3.1 must be followed.
Quite ironic for FIA safety traffic campaign..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
What FIA really should do is inspect Rally MC safety plan and it's implementation to see whether that rally has place in WRC or not. It seems that plan itself is flawed (speccies should never be allowed to line the road directly but be moved at least few meters away from it) and it's implementation sucks (seems that nobody - or very few - marshals police that NoGoZones are really respected). Just my 2c...
Just compare:
http://images.wrc.com/News/3274_Ouni...1_592x333.jpg?
video with various passes from Meekes place where he lost his sumpguard.
https://www.facebook.com/gonerallyin...5492700037526/
Seems Mikkelsen also hit it the same way, but nothing happened then. If Meeke had previous off, the sumpguard might be already loosen.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Looks and sounds like the drivers before hit it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Monte Carlo has been always one of the worst events in terms of spectator safety. They guard Turini and few other spots but they don't care about the rest of the stages. It's no different from past years. In my opinion they are just incredibly lucky that nothing serious happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
sumpguards dont ripped with just an off.They need a strong bump to fall.And something like this we havent see on any video before this,neither Meeke said something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Probably the stone poured from others cars hitting it.
Colin Clark @voiceofrally
Oooh, something to get excited about at the stop line. Strange alien fluids from @AMikkelsenRally's car.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZeXZw5WwAAteQk.jpg
seems like engine coolant fluid.
Giordano/Suarez incident at 0,45min
https://youtu.be/3X_5oqbQKZc
According to the 000 car, the stage dried out completely.
That would mean Neuville has better tyres then Mikkelsen, who thought it would be damp/wet on a lot of places.
Turini is dry?
Dry....