Unrelated to Fourmaux or Croatia but it saddens me to think it’s 5 years (to this weekend) since the last Wales Rally GB :(
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Unrelated to Fourmaux or Croatia but it saddens me to think it’s 5 years (to this weekend) since the last Wales Rally GB :(
But it is still based on a road car so there are a lot of panels you do not have to make. It has to be a massive cost to build those Rally1 shells. Attachment 2566Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
With rally2 the manufacturers have to use a suitable stock bodyshell which might not be in their production at all or when there is some it is definitely far from optimal. That itself prevents some manufacturers from entering the sport and makes the life hard for the everyone at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by turdzi
Any changes to the bodyshell to optimize the rally car must go through all processes of the stock production. Everyone who works or worked in the automotive knows that this is extremely time consuming, expensive and ofthen simply impossible process to do. The extreme case is Toyota Yaris GR where they developed a road going rally car like in the 80' to have best-suited possible bodyshell for the Rally2 however that was possible only because the Toyota management are crazy in rallying. The cost behind creating this car was definitely enormous and with any other manufacturer the managing board would kill it when it was still a power point presentation.
There are less and less usebale bodyshell being produced as the car industry changes, for the new cars the space frame will be necessary even for Rally2 because the pool of usable cars is drying.
The body panels for the future Rally2 may not be made of carbon. If the rules are different they can be pretty cheap glassfibre fabric produced by whomever. It's only about how the rules are written.
For the manufacturers a spaceframe prototype is an easier option because it allows them to separate the motorsport development from stock production.
can we finish THIS subject on the 2027 rules topic? i posted there an image, i'd like your thoughts. leave this topic for wrc news
Of course he will move up to Hyundai. It is nothing new. Just like Tanak, Ogier and Evans did it before him. If you look at Tanak's case, he departed from statistical best team in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by turdzi
More money for driver and more financial team stability makes the move. Even Neuville said that in 2014. he moved to Hyundai, even it was for him the same wage as in M-Sport, but he moved to more financial stability team.
But, on the other way, Fouurmaux could come back to M-Sport any time and he would be welcomed, just like Hirvonen and Tanak before him.
He is good driver, no need for discussion there. But he had an golden opportunity and he blow it up in 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by turdzi
His job was to finish events and pick up manufacturer points. Of 8 rallyes he crash in 3 of them (one burnt car) + one when he hit a rock. So that made him a much difficult job to convince Rally1 teams that he learned his lesion.
Fourmaux to Hyundai does mean money to Malcolm Wilson as well, doesn´t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
Maybe. But I'm sure he'd prefer to keep Fourmaux and be more competitive in WRC next year than be starting over again with another young driver...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Rovanpera re-charged and ready for 2025 full-time return:
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...turn/10660781/
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Fourmaux's contract expires at years end, so there is nothing legally binding him to M-Sport.
M-Sport has had deals where they gave drivers a seat in return for a percentage of future earnings should they go to a higher-paying team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
I think Elfyn Evans was one such, they made money when he moved from M-Sport to Toyota?
I've a feeling they might have had a deal like that with Suninen, but it didn't pay off.
Wilson has a management contract with him as well I guess. Taking a part of their salary when they move to another team is part of his business model I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
Regarding pay at M Sport vs Hyundai in Neuville's case I seem to remember an interview where he (or Gilsoul) said they didn't really earn anything in 2013 and moved back in with their parents.
oh, he won races in the porsche series?? man i missed that news, just saw he posted a vlog on that. so cool, going to watch it later. that was a good news! how did i missed thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://youtu.be/dnoeH57h480?feature=shared
Quote:
Originally Posted by turdzi
I dont really believe in the Monster/Redbull clash in M-sport, i mean Serderidis and Sesks have been driving an puma withouth a single Redbull logo on their livery, why Solberg would be different?
Surely they can play it somehow different if there even is any discussion in getting Solberg into a puma.
It changes the game only if MSport has the deal with RB as a team; but if RB logos and co-financing appear on Pumas only via Driver contracts, then there should not be an issue to run 3 or even 4 pumas on different liveries. I think Solbergs issue is different to RB/Monster - could be even Mikkelsen level matter, where Solberg family is not ready to pay for Olivers drive, as they know that he is fast and there is nothing to prove left. Maybe only matter of consistency can be questioned.
It might be as with all M-sport youngsters that Malcolm will want his cut in the future for developing Oliver and Solbergs think tha it would be unfair and don't want to share with him. But if they miss Fourmaux then will need someone course Sesks and Munster won't do the job.
I also think that Solbergs would expect MSport to pay Oliver to drive, while Malcolm expects the opposite. But yes if Fourmaux leaves that might change things.
Olivers consistency on gravel improved a lot this year. But he needs to drive more tarmac if he aims for full seat.
On a related note it would be somewhat ironic if, after being hailed as best Rally2 an seemingly using lot of money on Solberg+testing, Skoda would end with no titles this year (no ERC or WRC2). Last time something like this happened was in 2020. (C3 won WRC2 and ERC, i20 won WRC3).
And how many did they won against others?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I think you mean how many titles Skoda won vs others?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Simple and somewhat stupid answer would be almost all of them as there is always someone doing most of the season in a different Rally2.
If you mean how many they won vs competition that really tried for championship it is still quite a few in the last few years, though Hyundai has a tendency to give up when results don't come early in the season
2023 - WRC2 vs Citroen (Rossel) and Hyundai (Lindholm, Suninen)
2022 - WRC2 vs Citroen (Rosser) and Hyundai (Suninen)
2021 - WRC2 vs Citroen (Østberg), MSport (Suninen and Hutunen) and Hyundai (Solberg) and ERC vs Citroen (Lukyanuk)
Though I do agree that some of the earlier years Skoda was doing as much or more testing as some teams in the top class while the other teams were all more client-style. But it was the Skoda dominance in that period (before 2020) that led those to run more "factory" like teams later.
Hybrid power could yet be dropped for 2025...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hybri...-for-wrc-2025/
No hybrid, yes hybrid, no hybrid.. :D
Weird that teams have to pay for faulty duracells..
oh for f sake!Quote:
Originally Posted by fast eddie wrc
The FIA really aren't good at much, are they?
FIA just released the book How to destroy the championship 101.
Why I have a feeling they will choose full EV and then nobody will care. Like they don't see what is going on that brands are turnig their backs on that technology because it will ruin their companies.
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...2027/10661637/
aaaand Toyota Gazoo started a partnership with Haas. they say its just technical stuff for now tho, but eh, eye balls are in F1. if we can have aston martin honda (26) alpine mercedes (25?) and ford stickers on redbull engines (25?), then suure, lets have Toyota also back in F1
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solbe...KJlDxpsPjqj8oA
I think someone activated mommy
That partnership is basically a thing because TMG (GR Europe or whatever it is called now) has a lot of unused capacity nowadays, probably mostly because of the low tech, fixed homologation nature of the current Hypercar regulations. The effect of getting pretty cheap (or maybe even free) publicity via F1 is a big bonus obviously. The long term plan for TMG is not to badge an engine or replace one of their proper motorsport projects with a badging deal, but make a bit of money by helping Haas designing and building parts, at some point maybe even build the whole chassis for Haas.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
...and probably getting one of their japanese drivers into f1 already for 2026. probably myiata. he has not performed that well in f2 this year but boy, the guy won supergt, sflights, super formula. hes older (25) but he is really good. occon will not last there hehe or if someone gets bearman for performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
If the case is looking over properly I don´t see any wrong. Oc Pernilla won´t be in the investigation team.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
The case itself looked kind of weird.
The facts are that Rossel was 1-2 secs behind Gryazin (who won the stage) on the splits before getting to Oliver. These splits already included some foggy sections.
After Oliver pulled out right in front of him in the fog it is basically ridiculous to measure any seconds.
During first few corners he can see Olivers car in the fog, then visibily drops to a few meters. Pushing in that case when you know there is a car potentially 10-20meters ahead that you can't see would be downright crazy.
What would be even more ridiculous is changing the results and removing title chances from Rossel weeks after finish. For sure Rossel could go a few seconds faster on Sunday if he had been given different time.
The big unanswered question from me is why didn't race control signal Oliver that he should let Rossel pass. Don't Rally2 have same system as Rally1?
It's not compulsory to have to pull over if you're signalled. So he possibly was given the signal, but chose not to - especially knowing the championship rival was behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
There is noting in the regulations that you have to move over - it's a pure sportsmanship. Perhaps Oliver should be getting more criticism for NOT pulling over.....
If he got the signal the answer should be simple. Rossel gets the time based on splits and onboards until he met Solberg. Like he already did - a few secs behind Gryazin.
Still the few seconds Solberg managed to save for himself by that almost got him ahead of Greensmith, so it was not necessarily a bad decision for himself. The complaining afterwards is.
To me it looks more and more like Solberg is mentally not strong enough and his parents can't quite deal with the realities their son has to face in the sport. The whole "being mistreated" at Hyundai in 2022 saga makes sense to me now.
Looks like Peter Windsor discovered rallying:
https://youtu.be/NDDllXyX3RU?feature=shared
Interesting talk about the difference between Michelins and Pirellis in relation to cleaning and road order.
Stages for Rally Sweden 2025
Friday
19:05; SS01 Umeå Sprint 1 5.16km.
09:18; SS02 Bygdsiljum 1 28.06km.
10:19; SS03 Andersvattnet 1 20.60km.
11:27; SS04 Bäck 1 10.80km.
14:48; SS05 Bygdsiljum 2 28.06km.
15:49; SS06 Andersvattnet 2 20.60km.
16:57; SS07 Bäck 2 10.80km.
19:05; SS08 Umeå Sprint 2 5.16km.
Saturday
09:10; SS09 Vännäs 1 15.65km.
10:05; SS10 Sarsjöliden 1 14.23km.
11:08; SS11 Kolksele 1 16.60km.
14:10; SS12 Vännäs 2 15.65km.
15:05; SS13 Sarsjöliden 2 14.23km.
16:08; SS14 Kolksele 2 16.60km.
18:05; SS15 Umeå 1 10:08km.
Sunday
07:27; SS16 Västervik 1 29.40km.
09:57; SS17 Västervik 2 29.40km.
12:15; SS18 Umeå 2 10.08km.
https://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.p...yhets_id=25948
I wouldn´t say it was common realities happened. and it isn´t Petter, or Skoda appealing, it´s FIA themselves, if I get it right. So don´t come with fake statements, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
I haven't written anything in regards to the re evaluation. And my opinion can not be called a fake statement full stop. Only BS falsely proclaimed as a fact can be called a fake statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Coming with this out of nowhere but I haven't seen anyone mentioning it anywhere. Did someone watched full onboard of Adrien Fourmaux in this year's Acropolis rally?
Absolutely mind blown, there were at least 3-4 proper moments with maximum speed saved and executed to perfection (although sometimes it seems like he's all over the place I would say that is perfectly driven with the ruts and lines that were available)
If you have spare 10 minutes then you know where to spend it ;), props to Adrien.
But in the end that driving got him
Yep he simply crashed out on Friday due to hitting front right corner before a crest, basically very much like in Croatia.
Someone said "mommy" and you were hanging on that talk, and also developed it into what his parents seemed to take action for. So same discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher