Check back thru WRC.com podcasts history for Drivers & Team Manager interviews. Items called "Regroup" tend to be very interesting http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/podc...114--80--.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
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Check back thru WRC.com podcasts history for Drivers & Team Manager interviews. Items called "Regroup" tend to be very interesting http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/podc...114--80--.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
That was quick! Tnx guys! Already listening hehe
apparently two spectators killed at a tarmac rally in Denmark today. The driver is supposed to have lost control
of his vehicle (obviously) in a bend/corner.
https://www.bt.dk/motorsport/to-unge...loeb-i-randers
https://www.bt.dk/motorsport/sport-e...en-undersoeges
http://amtsavisen.dk/randers/To-pers...artikel/356579
Actually it was 2 marshals getting killed. Appearantly the car, a porsche, had a puncture and the drive lost control on a straight section of the track, hitting the marshalsQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
12 years already since a huge loss for estonian motorsport (and worldwide) and Markko Märtin fans...R.I.P Michael Park
and 2x12 years since Roger Freeth passed away.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
so, now we're having the longest time period ever of no top level WRC driver/co-driver fatalities?
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Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKCOs3EWkAAIDJf.jpg
"i'm not a gynacologist, but i'll take a look"Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
RIP, Dr Roj
I submitted Rally Finland maps 2000-2008 to rally-maps.com. Will start doing the 90's next week. https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-2000
If anyone's interested, there's now maps from 1993 onwards. https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-1993Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Video stream from Rally Legend https://www.facebook.com/EpicRallyTr...5386043326402/
Feel free to raise a glass to every World Champion you see
Should be live streaming again from 7pm Sanmarino time
I hope there's a few, I need a good beer right now!
Little doubt here.
WRC cars are production based cars right?
Nascar/ USA's SuperTrucks, Sprintcars, etc... are big rollcages with pannels, right?
Are These rollcage+pannels cars something that could do rally? Cuz it looks cheaper. IDK if it could be lighter.. But anyway. Is it possible? Or its not safe enough for possible crashes and flips ?
No to most of those.
In the states a good buddy of mine who has raced Rally and RallyCross is now racing a Polaris RZR 1000 Turbo in the regional California rally series. These little open wheel cars are amazing, handle well and need little maintenance. He spent roughly 25k on his and has won overall in one of the rallies and was leading overall in the second rally until he broke his steering.
Technically space frame-based cars can easily do rallying and they can do that better than the actual rallycars based on stock bodyshells. That's only a limitation, not an advantage.
Most of the T1 class vehicles in the Rally Raid scene are tubular frame vehicles with coverings.
https://youtu.be/sJw-Jt1OfY8 2011 old Australian V8 race car crash test
https://youtu.be/Z2yBqv1LcCk Geiser track build
Sprint car crash testing into concrete wall https://youtu.be/WOsoNGwDTcg
https://youtu.be/1FAqPELLFGQ Nascar - automotive tech series - chassis ins[ection.
https://youtu.be/1FAqPELLFGQ (Dallara indy car)
https://www.wallsauce.com/uploads/wa...onen-14-xl.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
https://img.emc.gs/224588f1b8a6ba7d5...831622e6a7067/
Was the 31 years old picture meant as an argument against space frame-based cars?
Just replying the question. It has been done, it was expensive and it was not safe. But yeah, maybe they could do it better today? Not sure if it would be cheaper.
If you're interested in seeing how different Rally Finland stages look like, I set up this list of onboard videos found from youtube, for different stages, running directions and versions. There's also the second tab for videos from national rallies which include roads used in Rally Finland, with a map link as well.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...CQ-JS/pubhtml#
Of course it would be completely different - even at that time if safety was the priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Space-frame allows to create much safer and overall better design than anything production based because the production base comes with a lot of compromises made for passenger space, price, production process, different safety modus operandi etc. Space-frame can be designed 100% for the purpose it serves, i.e. it takes no handicaps from serial production. And it can be also cheaper - for sure. The reason why the cars were expensive was not in using space-frame.
but its not interesting for manufacturers, right?
from what I've read Ford-Chevy-Toyota are pretty satisfied with "their bubbles" in Nascar.
But Murica is a weird place... I know
Frankly I don't see a reason why manufacturers would want to block such idea if FIA ever allowed it.
For manufacturer it's always good when it doesn't need to change anything in serial production because of marketing activities like rallying, i.e. if the rally car is 0% based on production model it's only good for them.
But the cars need to look like road models, right? Other than that, are there really any parts that are the same on a road car and a current WRC car other than small details like lights and door handles?
tbh It'd be pretty rad if my Fiesta had these '17 huge rear wings and all those aero parts. I love those things. I really wouldnt care if people on the streets think "Oh, this is ridiculous" haha I just want a WRC car haha 4wd please
I hope FIA never comes up with such proposition. I´d rather go back to step one. More standard productionlike and less parts i Kevlar, however big wing and big soundlevel always attract all kinds of people no matter power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Lets see what elecrifying will give (hope not, but a development hard to stop I think)
Roof and tailgate probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
and many things under body panels (wheel base is same as production model, so there is many parts which are mandatory by rules)
Per, the world changed from 1990'. The car industry is very different today than it used to be. Just get used to it. It won't get back because some people have nice memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Frankly - why is it so much "worse" to build the car as a space-frame purpose built unit which from outside looks like a serial one than to build a purpose-built car limited by serial bodyshell when the car also has very little to do with the serial one? I don't see any benefit for anyone.
I threw in a torch! Admit that. However we talk a sport we all love. No matter how much the world changed, why should the sport we all love change radically? We all love competition. And competition can be made with much more less special tuning, building and components in kevlar and titanium.
Door handles, yes. None of the current WRC cars have lights from the standard car, except maybe just the tail light lenses in some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Roof as part of bodyshell is standard, with holes cut into it obviously. Bonnet and tail gate are standard parts modified in a similar manner. Other than that, there should not be a single, standard OEM part on these cars. I guess some teams use/used the standard wiper stalk. The wheelbase is defined by the standard car, but there is a tolerance, so will not be the same as standard in the end. There is absolutely no OEM part between the bodyshell and the ground.
Here is my view on space frame "silhouette cars":
- To make it as safe or safer than standard bodyshell, no problem.
- To make it lighter, somewhat challenging.
- To make it more cost effective, probably not possible.
The biggest problem is restrictions on various reference points and how far away they can move from standard points. At this point, we might as well keep the standard bodyshell, since it does a pretty good job anyway. And even in recent memory, committed manufacturers can and will still do a special run of their road cars. Aside from bigger and stronger engine, no one buying the road cars would even notice any difference, but if the bodyshell was tweaked slightly to suit the design of the race car better, then that's a competitive advantage gained. Of course, that's nothing compared to the "homologation specialle" of days gone by, but I think it's cool that some still go the distance.
As a Subaru owner I'd say rally cars being production-based used to have a benefit for the owner of the production car, which was much better as a result of rally-inspired development etc. Its not just about looking the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
The problem for the manufacturers is the portion of the market that appreciates those things is quite small, especially in places where most people are jammed together in cities without interesting roads to drive on. So they like to make cars for the majority and focus on boring things like fuel economy instead of how they drive.
Personally I like production based rally/racing cars sharing the 'DNA' of the manufacturer/design/model they're born out of. I think it's important. At their core, they're the same car as any other that roles down that model's BIW production line, but a WRC car say gets chosen at birth to live a more interesting life!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
There's just too much detachment from the manufacturer/brand and the real world product with a space-frame car for my liking...
Well said! Which is what makes rally cars so special.
haha I was talking with a friend here... If Subaru creates a crowdfunding project for a WRC return, how many (in percentage) Rally fans would probably donate? Cuz I think it'd be around.. 90% of Rally fans and the goal would be achieved in a few days haha
Subaru doesnt have suitable base model in their range at the moment. They need to crowdfund development of new model first.Quote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
Dang, there goes my savings. I miss that car. But before my bank manager grills me, last time I checked the didn't do a teeny hatchback version.Quote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the...x-muscle-fest/Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
Maybe this one, haha
Why? In most places Subaru is not seen as the most legendary manufacturer of rally cars of all times as it is seen in the USA (and somewhere else I guess). Hypotetically speaking, why would fans crowdfund more Subaru rather than, let's say, Opel, Audi or Mitsubishi?Quote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
I don't see a reason why anyone shall crowdfund some else's marketing tool at all.
In the UK id say Subaru is certainly most associated with rallying, even now after leaving the wrc for several years. Audi will never return as rallying is not their brand image, a close friend of mine has a new rs5 and didnt even know about group b rallying until a few weeks ago.