Back to the future mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Back to the future mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
@MNRally
In this week's MN: full details of a new plan for mid-stage tyre change 'pit stops' to spice up #WRC events. What do you think of the idea?
https://twitter.com/MNRally/status/479180696154820608
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Seriously the circus gets beyond stupidity...
Surely a late April's fool joke......???
You know a sport is in trouble when they keep comng up with ridiculous suggestions......
How about reverting to when the sport was successful? It might just work... ;)
Itinerary for Catalunya 2014 unveiled:
http://www.rallyracc.com/2014/catalan/itinerario.html
Back to 2012 style with only minor change in last km's of long stage Priorat / Escaladei (for the good IMHO).
Same stages repeated year after year after year...
And you thought that it could not get any more stupid, here it goes:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...medium=twitter
They implemented the stupid remote service rule where you have mechanics but no spares for the car and now they thinking of introducing this... This is something that makes sense for cost cutting !! FIA and RBMH are morons in my view (sorry mods for the language)
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june/...1--12-12-.html
funny it's comming from Jost Capito...
In a way he does have a point, as changes can cost a hell of a lot! The change from 2.0t to 1.6t and smaller cars hardly made a huge difference in the end.
As the for the mid stage tyre changes they can just F right off! What are these people smoking? How the hell is it going to help the sport?
By the way has somebody followed 24 Hours of Le Mans? I found very interesting that they managed to create very free rules under which all the three main contenders were able to lead the race for some time despite having very different power unit (Audi - 4.0 V6 turbo diesel with low-level recuperation into flywheel KERS; Porsche - 2.0 V4 turbo petrol with high-level recuperation into batteries; Toyota - 3.7 V6 atmospheric petrol with high-level recuperation into supercapacitors). In the end the race was decided by mechanical failures.
Yes, I followed it - very clever and free rules and 3 different solutions to the question set by the ACO/ FiA. And next year Nissan will join with another solution. There may be the odd problem with BoP, but in the main it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I hate to say it in a WRC forum - but Sportscars is way ahead of the WRC - and the TV coverage isn't a lot better. Yet it's successful. They don't think of silly rules to make it exciting - it's still as it's always been. Why can't the WRC take notice.
How do they regulate their performance since all have different approach? Monitoring fuel consumption?
It's quite complicated, there are many factors limiting the performance but they completely get rid of engine volume limit and restrictors. Basically they set an energy limit available during three rounds long period. I don't follow it closely so I can't tell You exact rules but the combination of many factors allow many combinations how to achieve similar result.
Mirekski if you had not come up with that, then I would have...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
As somebody said "WRC has definitely jumped the shark".
What next? Reversing and parking under the clock?
FIA did a relatively good job with making R5/RRC/S2000 pretty much equal in speed. I think the deciding factor (in most events) still is the driver. :) Anyway, tired with Capito's desire to mess up our sport, like a politician, just wanting to change something, wanting to put a "stamp" on something, wether it's a good thing or not...
But what concerns me most of all, is the lack of response to all this bullshit from other people closely involved in rallying. No public response from drivers, codrivers, team-managers, organizers etc to this shit. It's like nobody dares to say anything. Everybody is quietly complaining in stead of doing something about it (the moment is now!)...
I actually tweeted a few hours ago asking if any a Motorsport journalists were going to start asking questions about these stupid ideas. None of the current WRC journalists will ask tough questions - so I hope WRC fans who are Motoring journalists, and there are a few, will start asking.
Did you read that stages will become 80 kilometers long?Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
What does it change? They have 2 spares these days in 100+ loop anyway and don't have to stop on stage to change them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Do you really not know the difference? Why embarass yourself? When the loop is divided in several 20 km stages, tyres can cool down, also drivers rotate them several times. With one long stage they can go flatout, no tactics, no preserving.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
Many offroad events do it and nobody complains.
The only way to make long stages without mid-stops is to use very hard tyres, and hard tyres mean less grip > less speed > less spectacle.
Hard tires > Less grip > less speed > MORE spectacle > higher safetyQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Mid stage pit stops was one of Fiorios tactics on the Monte to challenge the 4WD Audis with the 2WD 037, and is nothing new.
What I would like to see is the service/mechanics part be a part of the spectacle. Now it is a time limit on the service, but no gain if You finish earlier than Your limit. Why not let this be a part of the competition also?
I would also like to see a return of the remote service. To prevent this being a speeding frenzy, one could regulate the service vans with time cards etc, so that they would be part of a rally whit in the rally.
Spectacle is going flatout in tight corners, not cars losing control. Higher safety with cars moving all over the place, like the arhaic gr. B? Really? Higher safety with mechanics in a hurry, forgetting to tighten bolts and nuts?
Regarding cars:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
I think we must agree on that the more speed You carry when You go off the road, the more potential damage to the car and its inhabitants, no?
I think we also must agree that higher levels of grip, the more speed You carry when changing direction.
If we also agree that its the points of direction change that represents the highest risk of going of (turns.)
Then we can conclude with the fact that higher grip, equals higher speed in the risk areas, wich again equals more violent accidents.
There is a common misunderstanding in motorsport that to increese safety, You decreese engine power. This is the route that has been taken in rallying post group B.
This is not effective against getting speed down in corners, where speed is at its most dangerous.
To limit grip one have to regulate tires, suspension travel, and aerodynamic help.
Would limited grip cause the drivers to loose control? Off cource not. They would have better controll in the risk aereas beqause this would happen over a longer stretch of time (more time to react), and with lower speed.
Group B cars had their worst accidents on high grip surfaces, like Toivonen on the tarmac of Corsica, and during extremly high speed, like Vatanen in Argentina.
On gravel and snow their power vs grip factor was actually very good (safe), tough their construction was not (the placing of fuel tanks and so on.)
The modern day WRC car represents a higher risk, beqause of the higher speeds in the corners (even carrying the extra weight), but compensate some what by their much safer build.
Regarding mechanics:
I do not agree that the mechanics would suddenly forget to tighten bolts if they where part of the competition to an even higher extent. These are proffesional mechanics.
All part of the challenge of the sport, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
I know I'm not alone in considering the current breed of WRC cars to be extremely dull precisely because they can look like they run on rails.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6wEjQdxSTA
Amazing video of Rally Sardegna.
radiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Just a bit unfortunate that all of that footage is on tarmac, where FWD cars are actually able to be competitive at times. In a WRC championship where 80% of the events run on slippery surfaces, that formula would not go anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
If it's a true World Championship - then surely it needs an more even split between surfaces; not mainly gravel. And adding more Tarmac events also makes it more 'road relevant'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Stupid idea, they try to mimic f1 tactics in order to increase the tv numbers.they said that the pit stop could be to a village where spectators can watch the whole operation.i wonder who will go to see the pit stop and not an interesting corner?the answer is the irrelevant to our sport spectators.so the fia and the whole circus is not interested at all for the real rally funs.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddocknews
Here a video of a pit stop from the group b era.notice the Peugeot that overtakes the lancia!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=ay2bzaI1Qa4
P.S read the text which explains the procedure,it is under the video!
They can go...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114544
The link is fir the Viru Ralli 2014 massive BMW jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Sorry!
Here ----->>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNma9_7sNg&app=desktop
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2 Extra LIVE for TV Stages @RallyFinland SS4 on Thursday and SS13 on Friday both at 20h30 Local time - Great news for WRC fans! #WRC
Both runs of Harju being done Live. Good news.
ridiculous Capito.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I tend to believe that capito is just RMH &WV PUPPET.
Feel free to leave any time Jost, and take your fucking shoot out with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I think all you girls are over reacting to suggestions, because that is what they are for the moment.
And even if they are implemented they will go away if they do not fly after a year or so, i think currently the situation in the WRC is ideal to test some changes. I do not like the pit stop thing but i would like to see if the shootout thing will bring some more action.
Of course there is always the ladycup ERC for the "hardcore" fans to see a bunch of never beens fight with has beens and never will be drivers.
Frankly, I begin to like this so called "shoot out", seems to me will bring more action and drivers will have to work little harder for their positions. Of course it is only theoretical so far.
VW going will be disaster for the championship (but I don't support "shoot out" for that reason). All cried all those years for Loeb + Citroen dominance, if VW goes away, it'll be the same with only 2 manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
well, its time for some changes in the wrc, but i dont think this is the way eighter.
one of the biggest changes with the possible best effect is to ban the ridiculous homologation rule.
then the manufactures is out of the game, yes, but we will see many more different cars, drivers, team, fans and so on. in a much lower expense for everyone. its few manu's in the formula classes also, if the fia would get a homologation rule thru a manu, the formula one would be dead too.
get rid of the manu's, then we have several teams like msport, kronos, adapta, +++++ that could build and run different cars, make an easy rulebook that suits private teams, of course many of them would have some support from different carmakers, and of course those with the biggest budget would have, atleast a change to have, the best car. but this is motorsport and thats how it is.
then we can get those heroes we had for a long time ago, win a event in a selfbuild car, against all odds, lots of teams and cars on the start, cars would probably brake down easier, but that was a part of the game to.
so allow just rich nobodies surrounded by yes men to take part in the WRC... Brilliant idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
like today you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T