Do You really think he can win a rally?
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Do You really think he can win a rally?
Isn't Evans' way the right way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
The problem is that Kubica is neither of them. He can't drive to get "some" points for the team and he can't win rallies. What factory team would want someone like him?Quote:
Or if he wants to get to a factory team he knows that they're quite a lot of drivers who can drive just to get 'some' points, but there are not too many who can win a rally?
That is very true.Quote:
I don't think there are too many people you actually know what he is thinking...
In rallying i cannot recall a champion or a contender that started slow and became champion/fast
No matter the age you either show you have the speed to become somebody in this sport early (Ogier,Loeb,Hirvonen, gronholm ects ects) or you just struggle your whole life and you wait to become fast by gaining experience and you end up being good just to win local village events with hard to pronounce names (Warmbold,Prokop,wilson,ostberg ects ects)
Kubica has winning speed but he is not a rally driver, simply because he does not know his limits and will never learn them... it is a bit sad, because the hard part is the speed and the consistency somehow comes (Ogier in his early days hadd a lot of mistakes with the citroen... i recall 5 crashes/spins in a singlestage in cyprus).
I really liked him in his early days driving the clio in those italian events and then with the skoda because he had the right approach and despite coming from a sport i hate with a passion beyond belief i supported him and wanted to see what he can do...
But facts are facts... behind the wheel of a rallycar he just does not have what it takes to become a rally driver at the very top level, he is simply a danger to himself, his codriver, the fans and the reputation of this sport.
Is he a good driver ?
of course !!! ?
is he a great driver ?
of course !!
is he an amazing driver ??
of course !!!
Is he a rally driver ??
NO !!!!!
His fellow country men can say whatever they want to support him but they will always lose and cry because you cannot fight against the truth, because truth is a 7.0 foot roid raged freak and carries a baseball bat...
you can create as many threads as you want, you may call his doubters as many names as you want, you may find a million excuses for his incompetence as a rally driver and you may wait for a million years for him to improve.... but at the end of the day he is just not good enough...
Yes, I really do. He is fast enough to win a tarmac wrc rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
In the long term it is the right way. You start with lowest car classes, regional championships then you climb through national championships, then you try some European cups and with the progress of skills you become a factory driver. Easy, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
You're mistaken. His 2013 wrc2 season was mostly to drive for points. I disagree about winning too, he can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I don't mean Kubica to drive slow, he probably can't do that. To be prudent is another case, to know when to push - when You have the confidence, or not when You don't have enough.
Ogier is very special case, when being at the beginning used to crash a lot, even some really silly crashes, but the difference is that he learns from them and now when he pushes really hard, and I mean really hard on some occasions, he doesn't do mistakes, and if any they are very small, why is that? The answer can be found in his driving style, it seem very fast, and probably for some risky, but it is not - he just knows how to gain the most of it.
As for Evans, he knows very well he can't match the speed of VW drivers ATM and seem to gather just experience for now. I don't think he fights for a podium these 2 years. May be in the future he will, but he has big weakness as it seems - the gravel. So if he doesn't progress there, he will never be a champion. Loeb also hadn't confidence in WRC gravel rallies at the beginning, but he had a chance to learn, and learn he did.
Lets hope You're right, but until he learn to manages the risk, I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
I think we are not the ones to judge him. The only one to do that is Kubica himself, is think he has set his own goals and time schedule, so let's wait and see whether there will be a pressconference or some podiums. I think his goal has to be finding the balance between speed and the finish.
Just want to say a thing about winning; at this moment there is only one car you can win with. So the question can Kubica can win is not relevant.
Also it is not relevant to discribe his country men and how they look like. I am sure he has fans all over the world which I can imagine.
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Listen man, seems you didn't really understand what you have read.
Here's what I wrote: "he was percieved as perfectionist", it means he was seen by OTHER people and described by OTHER people as that.
Then you wrote: "Thus one pretending/claiming, using as excuse "perfection" is a BSer or a mental case...".
So where is he claiming or pretending to be one? Can you give me some quotes? No, because he never said anything about him being perfectionist, other people called him that. But you called him mental because you imagined something.
So again, try to read and understand what you are reading.
Also, I don't know what is that "screen persona", you are talking about.
A current team manager in the WRC once said to me that he would rather have a quick guy who crashes a bit to mould into a winner than a slow guy who never crashes.
Ray
Yes but Kubica crashes a lot, not a bit, and he doesnt win either
Before even thinking of winning you need to crash al lot; you need to know the limits of yourself, co- driver and car. At every rally, at every class, every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Kubica gives "a lot" a new meaning though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ounin
i cannot remember any driver that crashed that much before winning and did anything in this sport or even won...
That's true, it has been said Ogier himself was a crasher in his early years. But Kubica is a "bit" more extreme and he's not really managing to overcome it. His approach is just wrong, he explained it himself, he wants to "force" his learning curve but this is not the way a rally driver learn. 4 crashes in 3 rallys in his second year is something that don't give you hope for a win. He has to change it, learn his limits, have a strategy and other stuff that we've already talked about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ounin
I really really hope you are right but I fear you are not.
As a reaction to NOT's remark he never remembered a driver crashing so much:
I can only remember drivers who came from lower classes in rallying, not from F1. So there is hardly any other comparison available in this rare situation. Maybe Kimi, Muller, Sarazzin, Hirschi, Ragues etc etc but no one is doing full WRC.
This 4 crashes in 3 rallies keeps repeating here, but it seems like you are counting car failures in your figures. He was out of the road 2 times and had 1 car failure (which resulted in a crash) in Monte Carlo, Sweden was pretty clean in driving and 1 crash in Mexico. But if you count any moment as a crash, well, then you're also off in your numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Kubica has a lot of experience in rallying through village events,erc,wrc2 ects ects... if this was his 1st or even 2nd year in the sport straight from F1 then somehow all these crashes could be justified somehow but still the guy is laughable... he has more crashes than starts...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ounin
Ok they are not 4 but does it chance something if they're 3? Last year he had a clear run in Argentina and he was practically having a walk. In all the other rallys he crashed at least once. How can't you say that something is wrong with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
Yes, he crashes a lot, he should crash less if he wants to achieve something.
You know it.
I know it.
NOT knows it.
He also knows it.
Do you think he goes to rally with attitude to crash? He wants to improve on that and he made it clear, but he also doesn't want to loose too much speed, because according to him, driving slowly also isn't the way to go. That's because the car behaves and works differently when being pushed, you learn more about the car, setup etc, when you are closer to the limit. That's why he tries to balance this somehow, but it's clear he is not there yet. Time will tell if he find his way or continue to fail.
I just don't get why it's that annoying for some of you, let him be. He is not stealing seat from anybody, so why do you care? And don't say it's about safety, because that's just BS.
Driving fast is stretchy term in rallying. There is huge difference between Ogier's "driving fast", and Kubica's one. That is the direction he should work hard upon, not slowing down.
The rhythms of the WRC are very high, between tests, travel expenses related to promotional events, and the same duration of the race weekend (which are well over a weekend), there is little time available to a pilot. But during breaks I will find the time, readers OmniCorse.it, to tell you the story of my second season in the WRC, an important step for my future racing. Waiting for the next event on the calendar, the Rally of Argentina, take this opportunity to summarize those that have so far been the stages of the World already disputed. Three major races, because for me they represented the beginning of a new adventure, with so many unknowns and things to check. I will give you my point of view, what will happen to my championship race by race, but also on the general affairs of the WRC.
THREE RACES WORLD IN A MONTH AND A HALF
Within a month and a half we played three rally antipodes by types and needs. Monte Carlo is a race unpredictable, because the variable weather is always ready to change all plans. This year we saw underlying conditions including ice, snow, dry, wet and mud all possible variables. Then we moved to Sweden, one of the most difficult races for me. To familiarize yourself with the conditions of this rally is only one way: run it. I could only count on the experience of 2014, compared with a competition on this front is definitely provided me. I fielded what I have seen and worked in 2014, making significant progress. Then it was the turn of Mexico, a race beautiful and difficult, especially for the type of fund. It is very variable, because of a test of 50km you can find five or six different types of conditions.
I CHOSE A TEAM SMALL AND TIRES PIRELLI
After three races so demanding I had a lot of feedback. Start by positive ones, or by a fast acceleration performance that I think it was good, in all conditions. This year I focused on a small team, and the Pirelli tires on the front and "tires" signs have been very good. It is not easy for a driver to change tire supplier, because you have to rebuild the "feeling" that allows you to enjoy hundred center of the material available. But my apprenticeship was immediately very good, especially on the Swedish snow. Even on earth I think Pirelli tires can guarantee good performance, but I have yet to find the right harmony.
I WON THE SPECIAL IN ALL THREE RALLY 2015
This my lack of experience will be one of the fronts on which I will have to work more in the next races on the calendar, but I am optimistic about the possibility of fast growth. For now, the performance was still good, we won the special stages in all three rallies, despite being a year "zero" for the team with which I am disputing the World Cup 2015. We speak of a small and private, is the beginning of a new adventure for all, and with a Ford "customers.
PAGO LACK OF EXPERIENCE
We come to the fronts from which they come for now indications of improvement. At first I put my consistency of performance, or the need to be able to realize a significant speed potential. The experience factor in the World Rally is crucial. When I started this experience, I knew that I would be confronted with opponents who were engaged in this context for more than ten years, and unlike automobile "pistaiole", there is the opportunity to try on the race.
WE MUST IMPROVE WORK IN TEST
A rally the world and acquire know him year after year, so every time I have to deal with this disability who is not indifferent. I think I will have to improve with the team also work in testing, because even if they take place away from the race are still important to develop the technical material. Unfortunately, in this first part of the season was not able to use this opportunity to so many problems, which have ended up influencing my little evidence available. We need a more efficient, and we will have to get to work. But I will keep you updated, race after race in the course of the entire 2015 season after me ...
http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/506...a-nel-mondiale
I believe it's all but impossible for someone to switch disciplines to the modern 'flat out all the time' WRC and expect either to succeed or not crash a lot. He's merely doing what you have to do to win these days, namely be on the limit constantly with no let-up. It's not surprising that he should, generally, set some blinding stage times and then crash. Twenty-five or so years ago he would probably have been sensational.Quote:
Originally Posted by thuGG
Yesterday Kubica was driving Lamborghini Huracán and testing Pirelli tires on Autodromo Monza. Some pictures here. There are of course already rumors about him taking part in the actual race on April 11-12, but in my opinion it's not going to happen.
Bad news about Kubica. According to Auto Hebdo after his conflict with M-Sport Kubica now has a conflict with A-Style. It is not sure what car and in what team he will be driving. What's wrong with this guy?!
http://www.sport.pl/Rajd/1,131935,17...ml#BoxSportImg
(sorry, I don't have time to translate)
Kubica wasn't satisfied about cooperation with M-Sport but I wouldn't describe it as a conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Generally it's not a problem with Kubica. It's a problem with media today which publishing any stupid unconfirmed rumors to achieve more clicks.
Now in English:
http://www.maxrally.com/2015/05/01/k...in-the-balance
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118789
"I can tell you for sure that I really missed not being in Argentina competing and I will be driving again in the Rally of Portugal," he said.
"Like I said, we'll work on the team and the structure and we'll come back for round five."
It's a shame that Robert didn't drive in Argentina. :(
i think the end is near which is a good thing for everyone involved.
Kubica is committed to WRC - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118789
no one cares what you thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Kubica gets his new upgraded Fiesta from M-sport. All is set and confirmed.
Will he run with A-Style or M-Sport?
Kubica back to M-Sport (also for service), A-Style is history.
http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/wm/20...ta-196580.html
That must be the right decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
People from A-Style were just a half of RW WRT. Men who went to Argentina are still with Robert, so it's not a full comeback to M-Sport. I see it more like a cooperation.
Kubica will work with M-Sport only in Portugal. After that - nobody knows yet. Info from Malcolm Wilson.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
Let´s hope he´ll bring her back in one peace! That said i deep respect of course.
http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/555...i-appassionati an article written by Kubica for an italian magazine. Hope google translate will do a good job.
If not, he basically says that he has a new team that will work together with m-sport in a first phase but the goal is to become a fully indipendent team as soon as possible.
He has choosen only people really passionate to the sport because if you want to do well the passion is very important.
He had not the time to test the new car, it means that he will test it during the race.
He cant wait for portugal.
So, new plan is to get the new Fiesta to the end of each rally intact and earn points? Continue to learn to drive or push until off-road?