Robert Kubica thread

[stefanvv]

Do You really think he can win a rally?

[Jarek Z]

I get that, but maybe he doesn't have time to go Evans' route by going slower and to try increase pace by little bit every year.

Isn't Evans' way the right way?

Or if he wants to get to a factory team he knows that they're quite a lot of drivers who can drive just to get 'some' points, but there are not too many who can win a rally?

The problem is that Kubica is neither of them. He can't drive to get "some" points for the team and he can't win rallies. What factory team would want someone like him?

I don't think there are too many people you actually know what he is thinking...

That is very true.

[N.O.T]

In rallying i cannot recall a champion or a contender that started slow and became champion/fast

No matter the age you either show you have the speed to become somebody in this sport early (Ogier,Loeb,Hirvonen, gronholm ects ects) or you just struggle your whole life and you wait to become fast by gaining experience and you end up being good just to win local village events with hard to pronounce names (Warmbold,Prokop,wilson,ostberg ects ects)

Kubica has winning speed but he is not a rally driver, simply because he does not know his limits and will never learn them... it is a bit sad, because the hard part is the speed and the consistency somehow comes (Ogier in his early days hadd a lot of mistakes with the citroen... i recall 5 crashes/spins in a singlestage in cyprus).

I really liked him in his early days driving the clio in those italian events and then with the skoda because he had the right approach and despite coming from a sport i hate with a passion beyond belief i supported him and wanted to see what he can do...

But facts are facts... behind the wheel of a rallycar he just does not have what it takes to become a rally driver at the very top level, he is simply a danger to himself, his codriver, the fans and the reputation of this sport.

Is he a good driver ?
of course !!! ?
is he a great driver ?
of course !!
is he an amazing driver ??
of course !!!
Is he a rally driver ??
NO !!!!!

His fellow country men can say whatever they want to support him but they will always lose and cry because you cannot fight against the truth, because truth is a 7.0 foot roid raged freak and carries a baseball bat...

you can create as many threads as you want, you may call his doubters as many names as you want, you may find a million excuses for his incompetence as a rally driver and you may wait for a million years for him to improve.... but at the end of the day he is just not good enough...

[Mariusz]

Do You really think he can win a rally?

Yes, I really do. He is fast enough to win a tarmac wrc rally.

Isn't Evans' way the right way?

In the long term it is the right way. You start with lowest car classes, regional championships then you climb through national championships, then you try some European cups and with the progress of skills you become a factory driver. Easy, isn't it?

The problem is that Kubica is neither of them. He can't drive to get "some" points for the team and he can't win rallies. What factory team would want someone like him?

You're mistaken. His 2013 wrc2 season was mostly to drive for points. I disagree about winning too, he can do it.

[stefanvv]

I don't mean Kubica to drive slow, he probably can't do that. To be prudent is another case, to know when to push - when You have the confidence, or not when You don't have enough.
Ogier is very special case, when being at the beginning used to crash a lot, even some really silly crashes, but the difference is that he learns from them and now when he pushes really hard, and I mean really hard on some occasions, he doesn't do mistakes, and if any they are very small, why is that? The answer can be found in his driving style, it seem very fast, and probably for some risky, but it is not - he just knows how to gain the most of it.
As for Evans, he knows very well he can't match the speed of VW drivers ATM and seem to gather just experience for now. I don't think he fights for a podium these 2 years. May be in the future he will, but he has big weakness as it seems - the gravel. So if he doesn't progress there, he will never be a champion. Loeb also hadn't confidence in WRC gravel rallies at the beginning, but he had a chance to learn, and learn he did.

[stefanvv]

Yes, I really do. He is fast enough to win a tarmac wrc rally.

Lets hope You're right, but until he learn to manages the risk, I doubt it.

[Ounin]

I think we are not the ones to judge him. The only one to do that is Kubica himself, is think he has set his own goals and time schedule, so let's wait and see whether there will be a pressconference or some podiums. I think his goal has to be finding the balance between speed and the finish.
Just want to say a thing about winning; at this moment there is only one car you can win with. So the question can Kubica can win is not relevant.
Also it is not relevant to discribe his country men and how they look like. I am sure he has fans all over the world which I can imagine.

[thuGG]

Oh I dunno. Personally I don't pay much attention to rich guys just playing around but some guy with a really obnoxious name wrote this:


I didn't conclude....I responded to that bolded statement and explained what I have seem when motorsports people and fans talk about perfection and perfectionism in general, then made a qualified statement ---didya notice the word "maybe"?

Are you having problems with the subject/verb thing or just trying to live up to your "screen persona"?

Listen man, seems you didn't really understand what you have read.

Here's what I wrote: "he was percieved as perfectionist", it means he was seen by OTHER people and described by OTHER people as that.

Then you wrote: "Thus one pretending/claiming, using as excuse "perfection" is a BSer or a mental case...".
So where is he claiming or pretending to be one? Can you give me some quotes? No, because he never said anything about him being perfectionist, other people called him that. But you called him mental because you imagined something.

So again, try to read and understand what you are reading.


Also, I don't know what is that "screen persona", you are talking about.

[raybak]

A current team manager in the WRC once said to me that he would rather have a quick guy who crashes a bit to mould into a winner than a slow guy who never crashes.

Ray

[AL14]

Yes but Kubica crashes a lot, not a bit, and he doesnt win either