Do You agree with the cow at the end?
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Do You agree with the cow at the end?
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It is a problem when the main contender already has given up after the first day.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
In general I agree, but as the order difference is so great for the drivers with similar performance, it becomes burden for spectators also, because they don't witness real competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Of course not, returning the QS will be more than enough, fair and square.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Totally agree, why did they scrap the QS, actually why...does anyone know?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Also Ogier never gave up
Ogier did give up. He said, "I'm not pushing anymore.", after one of the stages earlier on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoda
Ogier never gives up surely, he is also known to play mind games with LatvalaQuote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
this wasn't mind game, he was just struggling to match decent pace with him. If You watch the videos it is obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoda
Wrong question, again. The burden of proving that the car is fast is on Malcolm and Fiesta just hasn't been delivering results on stages that would prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I think it's clear that current rules try to make the championship more exciting by giving better chances to slower drivers to get closer to the championship leader. With a QS we would see rallies decided just by this one stage. Of course, the con of current rules is that the fastest driver won't win everything, so Mr. Ogier, too bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Its not normally like that though is it? Just an unusual situation this time due to Latvala failing to score any points from the first two rallies of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Don't bring logic and common sense into this argument, it gives you too much of an advantage and is unfair on others.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Great rally! Loved being here!
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Just looking at Tanak and Evans' performance from the first 4 rallies last year and the first 3 from this year with those of Ostberg and Camilli this year:
Tanak 2015/2016
Monte Carlo Pos. 18/7, Sweden Pos. 4/6, Mexico Pos. 22/5, Argentina Pos. 11/??
Evans 2015/2016
Monte Carlo Pos. 7/8, Sweden Pos. 6/9, Mexico Pos. 4/DNS, Argentina Pos. retired/??
Ostberg 2016
Monte Carlo Pos. 4, Sweden Pos. 3, Mexico Pos. 3, Argentina Pos. ??
Camilli 2016
Monte Carlo Pos. retired, Sweden Pos. retired, Mexico Pos. 16, Argentina Pos. ??
From this and looking at a few stage times from this year and last year, I think Wilson has made a great call in his driver lineup.
You cannot argue with Ostbergs form - much better than either driver last year and also Mr Neuville. Tanak hasn't got any slower in fact he seems to be just as fast, blaming tyres could get a little 'tyresome' during the year as his results are much better so far this year.
Evans also in a lesser car seems to be showing he can fight (get points in WRC) and now with a win on DMACs (albeit in a lessor category) is putting himself in a good frame. Camilli, well if you compare him to Tanak after 4 rallies, he still has a chance to do nearly as well in Argentina if he starts to move up to the points.
I can see why Mr Wilson would be pretty happy.
Tänak's results are better because he has finished the rallies this year not because he is faster with dmacks. Just look at the enormous gaps he has had to rally winners. im 100% confident that he would be faster than Mads on gravel on michelins.
And Evans was on the podium last year in argentina, you have him retired there.
and Sordo lost his podium to Mads after penalty http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/march...6--12-12-.html
Yes you are right about Evans, missed that from the eWRC website.
Wasn't Tanak's job to finish rallies last year as well?
I guess my point about Tanak is he wasn't fighting near the top last year for the first few rallies either and that wasn't to do with the tyres.
Last year the first half of the season Tänak's and Wilson's plan was to get grips with WRC car again, after missing a year out and being year in a wrc2 category and to start pushing in the second half of the season.
People assume Fiesta is the slowest because for years there wasn't a fast driver behind the wheel. Kubica showed that you can win stages in Fiesta even without manufacturer's backup. I am sure Ogier would win rallies in Ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Talking about QS and road position. It all comes to one word, dominance. We all were witnesses of what happens when one person dominance to much. All those Loebs years caused preety big damage to WRC. Losing factories, less and less followers. And FIA knows that they can't let anyone to dominate WRC too much, cause it is going to be same story again. Well now we have more or less VW dominance which is not perfect but still better than Ogier winning everything he can.
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Thats pretty good, you made it sound like he s not allready winning everything :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Muchonen
At yesterdays powerstage the 2 in the studio, Anders grøndal and Cato menkerud (x-solberg co-driver) mention the obvious lack of power in the fiestas, compared to the vw/hyundai's.Quote:
Originally Posted by b3637853
Menkerud didn't belived one second that it was just down to slow drivers.
You have a point. But now they've gone too far, and it is also pretty useless to create more excitement around the sport in this way, for a number of reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Muchonen
1) QS was a problem because it was too much in favor for the best and, most important, allowed drivers and teams to make tactics and that kind of things that are not good. So, even if it is the more fair solution, I can understand a little modification to make the championship a little more exciting. And 2014 was a pretty good compromise in my opinion. But now it is too much extreme. Don't forget that in 2014, even if Ogier's dominance and his title was not too much in question, it has been still the championship where he had more problems against Latvala.
2) As other said, Ogier is still winning, so if they wanted to "fight dominance" and create more excitment, they failed. Badly.
3) Seeing other drivers winning events could be good for attract a casual fan in a first phase, but if their goal is to transform him in a hardcore fan (that's the kind of fans sponsors are looking for), it will be very hard considering this guy is witnessing rallys where the best has no chance to win, or, in events like Monte, where the best is even advantaged and others have no chance. (where is the thrill? The excitment?)
4) As said before, if this can give huge disadvantage to the first in the ranking for the gravel rallies, it gives him too much advantage in events like some asphalt rally, or even gravel if it rains.
I think this weekend we have lost a chance to see Ogier and Latvala carrying on an exciting and fair fight. Maybe Jari Matti could have crashed, maybe Ogier could have been faster, or maybe not. Who knows? I don't like to don't know what could have happened. Don't you?
On Saturday's morning loop he lost already over a minute to Latvala without single mistake, that's when he gave up the fight. I can very well understand his frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I agree 100% with your points, including the ones in which the leading driver can have advantage on some conditions, this is not fair also for the rest of the drivers and even more to the spectators.
There is no perfect solution, QS also, but is close to it in terms of driver to driver fair competition and excitement for the spectators. Yes, Ogier can still win almost every QS, though it is questionable on loose gravel as he will run first through it and again will be disadvantaged to choose his road position, but not that extremely disadvantaged.
FIA handed over a win to Latvala to shake the tree.
Nice and consistent drive though, good for JML's confidence.
Itīs my thoughts compared what Mads said. Donīt think he is slower than Sordo or Paddon on gravel. Other reasons must play a role. But itīs not scientificly proved. (Only that when people jelling a sentence enough many times it tend to be truth - in this case (Mads speed) itīs not)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
How do you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by b3637853
Its not for the FiA or promoters to 'even things up' - it's up to the other teams/ drivers to catch up. Motorsport series seem to have a major problem with dominance. Other sports put up with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muchonen
Latvala drove well, but in all honesty it was a pyrrhic victory - as his main opponent was severely handicapped by running first for 2 days.
If Kubica can win stages with it then faster and more consistent driver like Ogier would win rallies with Fiesta. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Have some reservations over whether this was a 'pyrrhic victory'.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
This was at no cost to either Latvala's or Ogier's ability to remain competitive (winning despite heavy losses outwieghing the loser is the definition).
Ogier ended the rally with JML having only made a 6 point dent in his championship lead. This was a champion's performance from Ogier, make no mistake. Road position was all, yet only Latvala had the speed / Polo to mount a credible challenge. Given the stats is the wise strategy to try to slug it out or to ensure you take second place and max Powerstage points. If Latvala had really been closer in the points tally I believe we'd have seen a bigger response from Ogier. Even if the pattern is repeated in Argentina and Portugal (which would require a step up in consistency from JML) that still leaves Ogier leading by 38 points going into rallies that he has won from the front in recent times.
So Latvala has shown he really is the only competition for Ogier but will find it tougher the nearer he gets to Ogier in the points. As for Mikkelsen, he should have been a comfortable 3rd - that he failed to do says much about his lack of genuine title credentials. Given VW's research on altitude mapping it is no surprise the Polo was outstanding, looks like Hyundai are improving though.
The Mexican podium is the best!
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WRC didn't lose manufacturers because of Loeb. They lost them because of FIA constantly changing the rules, the economic crisis, bad coverage, different corporate directions, their own inability and also going with rallies where there was little point going to (Jordan jumps into mind). Also, yes, some fans lost interest with Loeb winning everything, but that was just part of the story in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muchonen
So Mads up to 3rd... another payoff for a steady drive and no mistakes ! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Put it simply, had Ogier not opening the roads for 2 (!) days, the odds of Latvala winning Mexico would have been troubled, to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Wow, impressed !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Don't forget Mads mental abilities.
While being 'almost' 2 min slower he still managed to force Sordo to use that additional evil tire.
Driving like crazy, any of the top ten drivers can win stages. The result for Kubica, you can see for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by b3637853
Ha... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
Maybe Mads steady drive didn't stress his Team into a mistake, unlike maybe the errors of two of the Hyundai drivers ... ;)
is it so hard to accept that Mads has no wining capabilities? never was able to win.Still the same after so many years at wrc.No progress at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Fiesta has nothing to do with it,as Kubica had show many times with stage wins against Ogier and Loeb with Polo and ds3,championship wining cars last decade.
Latvala with fiesta when was at his good days(and mind) had won straight and square Loeb at gravel rallies.
wrong because if a car isnt fast you cant win Ogier and Loeb at asphalt when they are trouble free,and fighting for the win,specially at dry stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Hyundai criticises Thierry Neuville for WRC Rally Mexico crash
By David Evans Monday, March 7th 2016, 12:26 GMT
Thierry Neuville Rally Mexico crash 2016
Hyundai has criticised Thierry Neuville for an "unnecessary" accident on Rally Mexico, but it believes he can recover by winning the next World Rally Championship round in Argentina.
One of the pre-event favourites in Mexico, Neuville lost his chance of victory when he sustained a broken suspension arm on the first gravel stage of the event.
He rejoined under Rally2 for Saturday but crashed again and had to be hospitalised for precautionary checks.
Hyundai team manager Alain Penasse was perturbed by the second shunt.
"The accident on the first day can happen when you are fighting for a win," Penasse told Autosport.
"He made a mistake, that is clear. The second accident was not necessary.
"We made it clear in the morning we wanted him to bring the car back to score a few manufacturer points, so we didn't understand why he drove at a speed which was too much."
Neuville was demoted from team leader status at Hyundai as he lost confidence during a troubled 2015 season.
He rebounded with a podium on the 2016 opener in Monte Carlo, before his Rally Sweden was wrecked by a differential problem and his Mexico hopes lost to crashes.
But Penasse believes Neuville can emulate Kris Meeke's 2015 achievement on next month's Rally Argentina round and take a surprise win - helped by starting eighth on the road.
"He has to start again in Argentina," Penasse said. "He needs to analyse what he's doing by watching his onboards against the other guys.
"The plan is quite simple in Argentina: he will have the same fantastic road position that Meeke had there last year and if he can do what Kris did last year then we will be happy.
"When you have this good road position, there's no point hanging around."
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Mads is 2nd in points
no stage wins
no 2nd places in stages
Interesting!
Penasse sounds very much like pain-in-the-ass. In all respects.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii